and the white house sent an email to the dem congress with their talking points

lol

swishnicholson wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:Obviously the latest developments have not had time to really show up in a poll aggregator like 538, but FWIW Trump is at the closest to Obama's approval rating at the same point in his term as he has ever been: 42.4 on day 977 compared to 42.5 for Obama. That was the low point for Obama in his first term, though, as he began a steady climb toward 50% before the election.

Update: now surging ahead of Obama's numbers, as the American people celebrate the Imperial Presidency or a Bad Episode of Veep or whatever this.

Seat of the pants observation-the talk of impeachment continues to harm Democrats more than help, as people not deeply involved in the process get confused how they there can be talk of this while they are also getting inundated with election news-there's a process in place to remove the President, so why bother with this extra distraction?

They had either better have the “smoking gun” that was needed in the Nixon situation, OR this had better be a ploy by Pelosi to shut the “impeachment” people up - do an “inquiry,” determine no probable cause, and move on.

Pursue impeachment if it is clear, obvious, egregious, and morally severe. A backhanded attempt at bribery/extortion is offensive to me, quite possibly enough to remove a low-profile elected official, but well short of the mark of building the political will to unseat a sitting president who has successfully painted himself as the great white knight of a large and reliably voting portion of the population, with all of the attendant racial implications of that term. Old racist white people are good at one thing: they fucking vote, and they make up overwhelming percentages of the population of states you absolutely have to have to win. Dragging their messiah through the mud with anything less than an airtight case is an unforced error at the very least, but political suicide at the worst. It is pointless swatting at a hornet’s nest —

Unless you have the goods. But you BETTER have them.

JUburton wrote:Brantt I think you mean Biden (and the US and the EU and the IMF) wanted to remove this prosecutor who was a Russian stooge (blocking prosecution of corruption and oligarchs) whose office had not touched an investigation of his son in more than a year and also ultimately found no wrong doing. But 'he went on TV and bragged about firing the guy investigating his son' is definitely the same thing.

Durbin/Menendez letter may have mentioned withholding aid in order to help an investigation that they believed would benefit their country, not their election campaigns.

Are you doing this on purpose or do you actually believe this stuff?

Right......Just patriots protecting their country!

Wolfgang622 wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:Obviously the latest developments have not had time to really show up in a poll aggregator like 538, but FWIW Trump is at the closest to Obama's approval rating at the same point in his term as he has ever been: 42.4 on day 977 compared to 42.5 for Obama. That was the low point for Obama in his first term, though, as he began a steady climb toward 50% before the election.

Update: now surging ahead of Obama's numbers, as the American people celebrate the Imperial Presidency or a Bad Episode of Veep or whatever this.

Seat of the pants observation-the talk of impeachment continues to harm Democrats more than help, as people not deeply involved in the process get confused how they there can be talk of this while they are also getting inundated with election news-there's a process in place to remove the President, so why bother with this extra distraction?

They had either better have the “smoking gun” that was needed in the Nixon situation, OR this had better be a ploy by Pelosi to shut the “impeachment” people up - do an “inquiry,” determine no probable cause, and move on.

Pursue impeachment if it is clear, obvious, egregious, and morally severe. A backhanded attempt at bribery/extortion is offensive to me, quite possibly enough to remove a low-profile elected official, but well short of the mark of building the political will to unseat a sitting president who has successfully painted himself as the great white knight of a large and reliably voting portion of the population, with all of the attendant racial implications of that term. Old racist white people are good at one thing: they #$!&@ vote, and they make up overwhelming percentages of the population of states you absolutely have to have to win. Dragging their messiah through the mud with anything less than an airtight case is an unforced error at the very least, but political suicide at the worst. It is pointless swatting at a hornet’s nest —

Unless you have the goods. But you BETTER have them.

Hey look, someone gets it!

The actual fact of the impeachment inquiry, since it happened yesterday, isn't showing up in the approval ratings.

The WH sent Ukraine talking points to House Dems because they are very good at their jobs

CalvinBall wrote:The WH sent Ukraine talking points to House Dems because they are very good at their jobs

Calvin has me on ignore

Brantt wrote:

JUburton wrote:Brantt I think you mean Biden (and the US and the EU and the IMF) wanted to remove this prosecutor who was a Russian stooge (blocking prosecution of corruption and oligarchs) whose office had not touched an investigation of his son in more than a year and also ultimately found no wrong doing. But 'he went on TV and bragged about firing the guy investigating his son' is definitely the same thing.

Durbin/Menendez letter may have mentioned withholding aid in order to help an investigation that they believed would benefit their country, not their election campaigns.

Are you doing this on purpose or do you actually believe this stuff?

Right......Just patriots protecting their country!

weird, ignoring the actual bulk of my post and the argument at hand today. i dont actually give a shit about durbin/menendez.

ukraine guy: i want to buy javelins
trump: APROPOS OF NOTHING, what about investigating that biden guy?

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The WH sent Ukraine talking points to House Dems because they are very good at their jobs

Calvin has me on ignore

All of the talking points are defending Trump and Rudy. Guess they planned on driving the bus over Barr.

CalvinBall wrote:cuck

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
· 41m
Wow. Impeachment over this?

What a nothing (non-quid pro quo) burger.

Democrats have lost their minds when it comes to President @realDonaldTrump.

I wonder if he ever thinks about how badly Trump used to disrespect his dead friend when he’s got that orange micro-mushroom in his mouth.

lol k

Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
On whether Senators would vote for impeachment,
@murphymike
says, "One Republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump." #AMRstaff

I'm trying to figure out whether this helps Biden or hurts him. I mean there is actual video of him bragging about threatening to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired (which will have at least the appearance of shadiness to some). On the other hand, Biden can definitely credibly say "see....I'm the guy that Trump fears going up against the most"

Brantt wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:Obviously the latest developments have not had time to really show up in a poll aggregator like 538, but FWIW Trump is at the closest to Obama's approval rating at the same point in his term as he has ever been: 42.4 on day 977 compared to 42.5 for Obama. That was the low point for Obama in his first term, though, as he began a steady climb toward 50% before the election.

Update: now surging ahead of Obama's numbers, as the American people celebrate the Imperial Presidency or a Bad Episode of Veep or whatever this.

Seat of the pants observation-the talk of impeachment continues to harm Democrats more than help, as people not deeply involved in the process get confused how they there can be talk of this while they are also getting inundated with election news-there's a process in place to remove the President, so why bother with this extra distraction?

They had either better have the “smoking gun” that was needed in the Nixon situation, OR this had better be a ploy by Pelosi to shut the “impeachment” people up - do an “inquiry,” determine no probable cause, and move on.

Pursue impeachment if it is clear, obvious, egregious, and morally severe. A backhanded attempt at bribery/extortion is offensive to me, quite possibly enough to remove a low-profile elected official, but well short of the mark of building the political will to unseat a sitting president who has successfully painted himself as the great white knight of a large and reliably voting portion of the population, with all of the attendant racial implications of that term. Old racist white people are good at one thing: they #$!&@ vote, and they make up overwhelming percentages of the population of states you absolutely have to have to win. Dragging their messiah through the mud with anything less than an airtight case is an unforced error at the very least, but political suicide at the worst. It is pointless swatting at a hornet’s nest —

Unless you have the goods. But you BETTER have them.

Hey look, someone gets it!

So you admit, then, that Trump is a race-baiting racist xenophobe and that these qualities are his primary appeal to a substantial minority if not an outright majority of his followers? Because my post is as much about that as it is the untenability of impeachment related to some pretty standard political walking of the tightrope between "legal bribe" and "extortion."

He's live with the Ukraine President!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1176924438463418376

momadance wrote:He's live with the Ukraine President!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1176924438463418376

there was a pageant winner from the ukraine!

man this guy is a colossal fool.

"You read the text." -Zelenskiy

Talking Hillary's e-mails now, all the hits

the yoga comment killed me.