Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TheAAGuy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:34:09

momadance wrote:
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momadance wrote:Effective 10/29:

USCIS no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and U.S. armed forces members residing outside the United States as “residing in the United States” for purposes of acquiring citizenship under INA 320.3

Per this "new" doctrine, if you are in the military and stationed overseas and have a child, that child no longer has natural born citizenship. The child can be naturalized, but this removes all ability to claim the child is a natural born citizen - thus ineligible to run for president. Seems to me like it is an anti John McCain rule.

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That was exact response my naval officer friend said to me.

Both my parents were born and raised in Philadelphia. My dad was in the Army for 21 years. I was born in Munich Germany in 1954 because that was where he was stationed at the time. So I'm wondering, if this was in effect at that time, what would my status be as a citizen? Germany doesn't have birthright citizenship (I looked it up a few years ago). Both my parents are US citizens. He was stationed at a US Army base. There's no way I would qualify for German citizenship. What would be my status re: citizenship, before the naturalization procedure? Would I be an infant citizen of no country? A baby without a country? This is just mind numbingly stupid.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TheAAGuy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:55:49

TheAAGuy wrote:
momadance wrote:
td11 wrote:
momadance wrote:Effective 10/29:

USCIS no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and U.S. armed forces members residing outside the United States as “residing in the United States” for purposes of acquiring citizenship under INA 320.3

Per this "new" doctrine, if you are in the military and stationed overseas and have a child, that child no longer has natural born citizenship. The child can be naturalized, but this removes all ability to claim the child is a natural born citizen - thus ineligible to run for president. Seems to me like it is an anti John McCain rule.

Conservatives truly support the troops


That was exact response my naval officer friend said to me.

Both my parents were born and raised in Philadelphia. My dad was in the Army for 21 years. I was born in Munich Germany in 1954 because that was where he was stationed at the time. So I'm wondering, if this was in effect at that time, what would my status be as a citizen? Germany doesn't have birthright citizenship (I looked it up a few years ago). Both my parents are US citizens. He was stationed at a US Army base. There's no way I would qualify for German citizenship. What would be my status re: citizenship, before the naturalization procedure? Would I be an infant citizen of no country? A baby without a country? This is just mind numbingly stupid.


OK, nevermind. I just read this update from Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-administration-clarifies-policy-on-citizenship-of-children-born-abroad-to-american-servicemembers/2019/08/30/1b5d4e22-ca6b-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html

The Trump administration scrambled Thursday to contain a political firestorm that erupted over a highly technical policy that officials say will affect the citizenship applications of “a very small” number of children born abroad to American servicemembers and federal employees.

Some initial news reports said the administration’s new policy would broadly bar such children from automatic U.S. citizenship, but federal officials said it would only affect children whose families fall into atypical categories: children adopted overseas by government workers or military members, children whose parents weren’t citizens when they were born, and children of Americans who didn’t meet the residency requirements needed to automatically transmit citizenship at birth.

Officials for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services estimated that the policy, which goes into effect Oct. 29, would affect 20 to 25 people a year, while the Pentagon said it may affect fewer than 100 a year.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:30:02

WTF is the point of the policy if it is only going to impact a tiny number of people? I guess to discourage the adoption of brown babies and discourage brown legal immigrants from joining the military?
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TheAAGuy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:46:54

06hawkalum wrote:WTF is the point of the policy if it is only going to impact a tiny number of people? I guess to discourage the adoption of brown babies and discourage brown legal immigrants from joining the military?

Well if you read the entire article there apparently was a conflict in the rules between Homeland Security and State Dept, and this was a technical change designed to eliminate those conflicts. That's what they say anyway.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:15:14

Some are suspicious that it's a step on the path to eliminating birthright citizenship, but I'm not exactly sure how that works. I guess it could be viewed as limiting the number of people who would be citizens based on the circumstances of their birth.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Fri Aug 30, 2019 16:02:28

Just remember that Trump said he saved a lot of money by throwing stuff out and having the press rip it apart before he moves forward. This could be one of those cases where they dip test something in the world went crazy, so it’s time for the next look over here.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Fri Aug 30, 2019 16:32:25

thephan wrote:Hong Kong Public Order Ordinance is going to be enforced which prohibits gatherings of more than 30 people with out approval, etc. and so on to assure public safety, address national security, etc. It comes with an up to 5 year jail sentence and a 10K HKD ($1K USD fine). First arrests have happened.



https://www.vox.com/2019/8/30/20840595/ ... t-protests

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Fri Aug 30, 2019 17:07:50

Madeleine Westerhout, 29, was abruptly removed on Thursday after the president learned she had been talking to reporters at a dinner this month.

She was drinking and bragging about her access to Mr Trump during his holiday in New Jersey, CBS News reports.

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Mr Trump has also often referred to her as "my beauty".


Jersey girl on the loose.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby traderdave » Fri Aug 30, 2019 17:30:38

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Madeleine Westerhout, 29, was abruptly removed on Thursday after the president learned she had been talking to reporters at a dinner this month. She was drinking and bragging about her access to Mr Trump during his holiday in New Jersey, CBS News reports.


"Access", eh. Tell us more. No, better yet, don't.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Aug 30, 2019 18:59:03

Kinda think firing her was the smartest thing Trump has done maybe in his life. Certainly during his Presidency. But I didn't realize Presidents had personal assistants like some kind of dumb ass celebrity or pundit.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Aug 31, 2019 08:17:33

Shimkus (R, Illinois) will not seek reelection. He won in '18 with 70 percent but ya never know! 14th R to announce retirement.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sat Aug 31, 2019 18:10:58

CalvinBall wrote:Shimkus (R, Illinois) will not seek reelection. He won in '18 with 70 percent but ya never know! 14th R to announce retirement.


Wait until you meeting his mistress.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sat Aug 31, 2019 19:12:36

One of the targeted blog posts, published on Wonkette, accused the African-American duo of helping to “prop up the most vile white supremacy.” Diamond and Silk’s mystery legal team wrote that the article “deliberately and maliciously slandered and defamed Diamond and Silk and the Diamond and Silk brand by deliberately and maliciously attaching their name to racist context.”


D&S have learned from the Donald's way, and are throwing legal bombs all over the place. Who's going to be surprised when we learned that the campaign is somehow involved and some mysterious somebody is paying for it. the article is particularly wonderful because it points out that there's all kinds of pretend lawyery stuff in the cease and desist.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/diamond-a ... -lawyer-up
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sun Sep 01, 2019 16:33:13

“The president paused in front of the exhibit that discussed the role of the Dutch in the slave trade. As he pondered the label I felt that maybe he was paying attention to the work of the museum. He quickly proved me wrong,” Bunch recalled in the memoir. “As he turned from the display he said to me, ‘You know, they love me in the Netherlands.’ All I could say was let’s continue walking.”


Smithsonian official says he was told Trump didn't 'want to see anything difficult' during African American History Museum tour
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sun Sep 01, 2019 16:36:31

The Texas Tribune gives us this gem anbout a Texas state lawmaker rejecting any gun restrictions after latest shooting.

Texas state Rep. Matt Schaefer (R) late Saturday dismissed calls to implement “so-called gun-control solutions” in the wake of a mass shooting in West Texas, saying that he wouldn’t allow the “evil acts” of a few to suppress state residents’ “God-given rights

Gotta check my bible for the part about guns. Has to be in the New Testament, right?
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Sep 01, 2019 17:52:31

Not unusual to hear people say natural or inalienable rights (life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness) come from God and not the state, and Congress is prohibited from infringing upon many of these things by the Bill of Rights.

Though not sure that necessarily extends to opposing universal background checks or opposing the prohibition of the sale and possession of rocket launchers or whatever any more than the right to free speech doesn't protect a cable station airing kiddie porn.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Sep 01, 2019 18:21:05

Pretty sure there isnt anything about rights in the bible. Probably not much on freedom either. Lots about duty and obedience and such.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby JFLNYC » Sun Sep 01, 2019 18:52:21

Doesn’t the Declaration of Independence say something about inalienable rights bestowed by a Creator?
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sun Sep 01, 2019 19:48:21

President Donald Trump, who called off his planned trip to Poland over the weekend to oversee the response to Dorian, said he would discuss possible evacuations Sunday in a scheduled meeting with officials of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA.


He took Marine One down to Sterling, probably less the a 35 mile direct flight, to get some golf in yesterday.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby thephan » Sun Sep 01, 2019 19:52:31

@realDonaldTrump

In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!

10:51 AM - Sep 1, 2019


@NWSBirmingham

Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east. #alwx

11:11 AM - Sep 1, 2019
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