CalvinBall wrote:Think he is saying keep your hopes up BUT Biden looks like he is going to be overtaken by Warren so we may not make that mistake.

Augustus wrote:

BatFlipsFTW wrote:

td11 wrote:There is never money for anything except war, subsidies for oil companies, militarizing the police, you know, things that aren't "terrible public policy."

Doing good and kind things for your citizens like forgiving unfair school debt and giving them free healthcare is bad because this graph here says it costs a lot

Also congrats to the 40 year olds of the board who've successfully paid off 20k in debt. Kids these days are coming out w 100k debt regardless of major. But its unfair because you had to suffer once so why shouldn't these kids

What happens when they fall back in debt because no one knows how to spend within their means?

The US median income is $31,786 for individuals and $48,150 for households. Please describe what "spending within their means" looks like for these folks, given the soaring costs of housing, health care, child care, etc.

Brantt wrote:Trump will absolutely destroy Warren.

Uncle Milty wrote:I also think Trump has gained some votes since 2016

traderdave wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:I also think Trump has gained some votes since 2016

Probably true. Let that sink in for a minute.

jamiethekiller wrote:Trump isn't going to magically get more people to vote for him. He's not going to have more people voting for him this cycle than he had last time. He can double down over and over on his insane statements because its alla bout ensuring those same people come back out and vote for him. Not for him to win 'new' voters.

The only thing that'll ensure that Trump wins again is if Biden is elected. the "far left", aka the majority of young voters, will pack their bags up again. the POC color vote isn't going to turn out for Biden either. His voting history has baggage for years regardless of his policy or viewpoints now. The only people he has coming are the people who have been voting for democrat for 20+ years and will show up to the polls regardless.

Which means that any votes for Biden will easily transfer over to Warren/Sanders.

at least thats how i see/feel it

Gimpy wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:Trump isn't going to magically get more people to vote for him. He's not going to have more people voting for him this cycle than he had last time. He can double down over and over on his insane statements because its alla bout ensuring those same people come back out and vote for him. Not for him to win 'new' voters.

The only thing that'll ensure that Trump wins again is if Biden is elected. the "far left", aka the majority of young voters, will pack their bags up again. the POC color vote isn't going to turn out for Biden either. His voting history has baggage for years regardless of his policy or viewpoints now. The only people he has coming are the people who have been voting for democrat for 20+ years and will show up to the polls regardless.

Which means that any votes for Biden will easily transfer over to Warren/Sanders.

at least thats how i see/feel it

I hate the prospect of a Biden presidency, but I’d bet there are a lot of older white folks that would be willing to vote Biden, but wouldn’t be able to stomach voting for anyone more progressive.

Trent Steele wrote:

Gimpy wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:Trump isn't going to magically get more people to vote for him. He's not going to have more people voting for him this cycle than he had last time. He can double down over and over on his insane statements because its alla bout ensuring those same people come back out and vote for him. Not for him to win 'new' voters.

The only thing that'll ensure that Trump wins again is if Biden is elected. the "far left", aka the majority of young voters, will pack their bags up again. the POC color vote isn't going to turn out for Biden either. His voting history has baggage for years regardless of his policy or viewpoints now. The only people he has coming are the people who have been voting for democrat for 20+ years and will show up to the polls regardless.

Which means that any votes for Biden will easily transfer over to Warren/Sanders.

at least thats how i see/feel it

I hate the prospect of a Biden presidency, but I’d bet there are a lot of older white folks that would be willing to vote Biden, but wouldn’t be able to stomach voting for anyone more progressive.

Agree re old people and Biden. Completely disagree about PoC and Biden. He is by far the most popular Dem candidate among African-Americans. Seriously underestimating the impact in that community of him serving as VP under Obama. Also underestimating the fact that, generally speaking, African-Americans Dems are significantly more moderate/conservative than White Liberal Dems.

It's not Biden that needs to worry about turning out PoC support....its Bernie, Warren, and Buttegig.

Brantt wrote:Trump will absolutely destroy Warren.

Brantt wrote:Trump will absolutely destroy Warren.

thephan wrote:Next up was how Jimmy Carter screwed her after her Union signed a 3 year deal calling increases at 3%, then Carter lifted the cap and she got screwed. And then the electric company raise the electric rates 3%. And that is that. She'll never vote Democrat again ever because how did Jimmy Carter held her down in the electric company beat her up all the cuz of his laws. I've decided to talk about how damn hot it is outside here in Florida rather than get anywhere near any of this other crazy.

by the way, if anybody has any idea what she's talking about, I'd love to understand. She has to have some incident that happened under his tenure that she associates with all of this stuff. I honestly would just like validation that she's not insane. That is to say that I would like some certainty that my that my mother in law will not be coming to live with me anytime soon out of medical necessity.

PURPA's Terms



End of Promotional Rate Structures

As one part of his National Energy Plan, debated by Congress in 1977 and 1978, President Carter suggested changes to the way power companies charged for electricity. Typically, utilities offered customers a "rate structure" that encouraged them to use increasing amounts of electricity. It did this by charging higher prices for the first increments of electricity used by customers--for example the first 50 kWh--with subsequent increments costing less per unit. One New York utility in 1973, for example, charged 4.4 cents per kWh for each of the first 50 kWh of use, but only 3.9 cents for the next 60 kWh, 3.4 cents for the subsequent 120 kWh, and only 2.8 cents for each unit greater than 240 kWh.

During the golden years of the utility industry, this "promotional" rate structure made sense, as utility costs continuously declined and as growing demand pushed costs still lower. But with technological progress limited and energy costs climbing, power companies no longer could achieve lower costs. Moreover, the rate structure encouraged people to use more electricity at a time when conservation was becoming the nation's watchword.

Signed into law in November 1978, the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act (PURPA) focused on eliminating promotional rate structures except when they could be justified by the cost structure of utility companies. In most cases, they could not be so justified, so the law required state commissions to order utilities to develop new rate structures. Most utility managers did not worry too much about the law, and they were able to comply with it. In fact, some utility companies executives thought they got off fairly easily with this provision, being more worried about other terms of Carter's energy plan that required them to convert from burning oil to coal and prohibitions against the use of natural gas.