I would take pelosi over schumer, but yeh, it's time for young blood.

Pretty great day for the USofA with Trump wanting to send them back, and good old boy Lindsey being one of the only assholes to comment by mansplaining that Don needs to aim higher against those Commie America haters. It's a real head scratcher, but not less then the whole rest of the GOP claiming that they have no idea what these comments are that everyone is talking about, even after having it explained multiple times.

This make my job hard as we are losing credibility with global business partners. I've been asked point blank my position on this insanity on conference calls. That's a lot more then awkward.

I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!

The four women who should go back to their own countries are having a press conference now with more grace and intelligence than the man who thinks big Macs are a good group.

I had a great politics discussion with my mom this weekend, a Trump voter who would probably still vote for him in 2020 (I didn't ask, because I didn't want her to verbalize it and then have to mentally "switch" at a later date). She asked me my thoughts on AOC (Does a decent job speaking on behalf of young people, even if she is naive about a lot of things), on Obamacare (pre-existing conditions are a challenging problem, and we spend so much on healthcare that we should cover everyone somehow. Unfortunately, it's hard to tackle this, but I'm disappointed that GOP has refused to propose anything, even when they controlled government. It's much easier to poke holes in legislation than to actually figure out something that will work), student loans (what we have today is not sustainable, and while I think it will be hard to get Democrats to agree on a solution that works without causing some pain, they are the only ones trying to come up with a solution for something that is unsustainable. Basically, am I really supposed to spend 7 figures to send her Grandchildren to college??), how great the economy is under Trump (it's unchanged, basically, and the tariffs have caused real harm to the people he talks about protecting), how the Supreme Court has a say on a variety of issues that aren't Right/Left (Executive power to bypass the Legislative branch is a growing problem that the SC needs to provide the only check, civil liberties, etc), and why I think Kamala Harris has a good shot to win the Democratic nomination (she is very poised in a back-and-forth debate setting, and her background allows her to speak on a number of different issues credibly. Dems will be very excited to put her against Trump, moreso than running out another old white guy, for better or worse.).

It was a nice convo with a Trump voter, basically. The fact that it could happen at all says that Trump has problems. It probably helped that I reminded her that I still consider myself conservative, and I just hate everything that Trump has done to the GOP as a party. I don't think she interacts with anyone who can provide informed yet non-threatening criticisms of Trump.

Sorry for the block of text.

06hawkalum wrote:I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!

Pretty much what many of us thought in 2016. The relatively small number of swing state voters who will actually decide the election have no idea about anything you mention in your 2nd paragraph. They will make up their mind next fall based on who-knows-what. Possibly whatever they pick up browsing Facebook that week.

Also, it needs to be a massive, crystal clear blowout in both popular and electoral votes, otherwise he'll just dismiss the results and stay put. I don't really think he can pull that off, but I can see him trying for a few extra months especially if Ginsburg is still on the court.

Rockinghorse wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!

Pretty much what many of us thought in 2016. The relatively small number of swing state voters who will actually decide the election have no idea about anything you mention in your 2nd paragraph. They will make up their mind next fall based on who-knows-what. Possibly whatever they pick up browsing Facebook that week.

Also, it needs to be a massive, crystal clear blowout in both popular and electoral votes, otherwise he'll just dismiss the results and stay put. I don't really think he can pull that off, but I can see him trying for a few extra months especially if Ginsburg is still on the court.

He has no power over the certification of results. He doesn't have to concede. If he loses and refuses to vacate, the Secret Service will physically remove him on Inauguration Day.

I don't think it will come to that.

In the last 80 years only one elected Republican president has failed to win re-election. As long as the economy stays strong and Trump doesn't say "read my lips, no new taxes" and then raise taxes, I think he's clearly the favorite. If the Democrats nominate Biden, the poor man's Walter Mondale, I think Trump could win in a landslide.

ashton wrote:In the last 80 years only one elected Republican president has failed to win re-election. As long as the economy stays strong and Trump doesn't say "read my lips, no new taxes" and then raise taxes, I think he's clearly the favorite. If the Democrats nominate Biden, the poor man's Walter Mondale, I think Trump could win in a landslide.

There have only been five incumbent GOP POTUSs in the last 80 years so that's a small sample size. Biden would wipe the floor with Trump.

Furthermore, we are way overdue for a recession despite Trump's best efforts to keep the party going as long as possible to further his re-election chances.

There sure are some takes in here boyyyyyyyyyyyy howdy.

06hawkalum wrote:

ashton wrote:In the last 80 years only one elected Republican president has failed to win re-election. As long as the economy stays strong and Trump doesn't say "read my lips, no new taxes" and then raise taxes, I think he's clearly the favorite. If the Democrats nominate Biden, the poor man's Walter Mondale, I think Trump could win in a landslide.

Biden would wipe the floor with Trump.

You kidding?

Biden is up like 10-15 points in H2Hs with Trump right now. I wouldn't expect it to be THAT drastic, but he would be a favorite.

I agree with that, no doubt. Would be the favorite.

I kinda like good ole Uncle Joe, but I have no faith in him whatsoever as a candidate.

I think that Joe has been around too long and has too much baggage. I think that a lot of shit whether it is true or not will surface.

why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

Phred wrote:I think that Joe has been around too long and has too much baggage. I think that a lot of shit whether it is true or not will surface.

This is the Trump era. A candidate's character and qualifications don't matter any longer.

06hawkalum wrote:I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!

Is there? I try to stay away from the thread enough that I often miss the zeitgeist. Whether he will win again or not (and it's always been my one big, dumb, prediction that he doesn't stick around to lose), it's depressing enough that he's shown his hand and it hasn't eroded his support at all. Trump is at 42.5% approval. At this time or after in their first terms Obama was at 42.8, Bush Jr. at 43.8, Clinton at 46.5 and Reagan at 42.9. All, of course, won reelection. Trump has more of an uphill battle, but it's certainly been proven you can win even though for much of the time most people thought you were doing a bad job. All of those guys surged to some degree though as it got closer to election time.It's hard to see Trump winning over bunches of new people, but I've given up having faith in the American electorate.

House is currently in disarray over Pelosi's comments.

swishnicholson wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!

Is there? I try to stay away from the thread enough that I often miss the zeitgeist. Whether he will win again or not (and it's always been my one big, dumb, prediction that he doesn't stick around to lose), it's depressing enough that he's shown his hand and it hasn't eroded his support at all. Trump is at 42.5% approval. At this time or after in their first terms Obama was at 42.8, Bush Jr. at 43.8, Clinton at 46.5 and Reagan at 42.9. All, of course, won reelection. Trump has more of an uphill battle, but it's certainly been proven you can win even though for much of the time most people thought you were doing a bad job. All of those guys surged to some degree though as it got closer to election time.It's hard to see Trump winning over bunches of new people, but I've given up having faith in the American electorate.

I think approval % are a poor metric. I think you get a better sense of his chances by looking at net (dis)approval compared to others, and more importantly, net strong (dis)approval. Unlike the others identified, Trump's support is (almost) completely inelastic.