Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Jul 16, 2019 16:30:06

Trent Steele wrote:
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06hawkalum wrote:I've probably posted this before but I don't understand the fatalism expressed here, especially the assumption that Trump is going to win reelection.

He has a -10 net approval rating and he grows more demented with each passing day. I highly doubt that progressives are going to say "hey, we care so much about our ideals that we will sit this one out/vote third party. We are fine with a 6-3 or 7-2 Trump picked conservative Supreme Court for the rest of our lives."

Just don't see it happening.

Hope I'm right!


Is there? I try to stay away from the thread enough that I often miss the zeitgeist. Whether he will win again or not (and it's always been my one big, dumb, prediction that he doesn't stick around to lose), it's depressing enough that he's shown his hand and it hasn't eroded his support at all. Trump is at 42.5% approval. At this time or after in their first terms Obama was at 42.8, Bush Jr. at 43.8, Clinton at 46.5 and Reagan at 42.9. All, of course, won reelection. Trump has more of an uphill battle, but it's certainly been proven you can win even though for much of the time most people thought you were doing a bad job. All of those guys surged to some degree though as it got closer to election time.It's hard to see Trump winning over bunches of new people, but I've given up having faith in the American electorate.


I think approval % are a poor metric. I think you get a better sense of his chances by looking at net (dis)approval compared to others, and more importantly, net strong (dis)approval. Unlike the others identified, Trump's support is (almost) completely inelastic.


I'm not really trying to judge his chances, just my level of dismay. Your'e right though,that's what I was alluding to with my "uphill battle" comment. Though the fact that it has proven so inelastic in both directions does leave the one path to victory being alienation of voters who oppose him, while his depressingly solid base turns out.
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby thephan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 16:51:53

momadance wrote:House is currently in disarray over Pelosi's comments.



Moving to strike her comments right now.
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby PhillieMooDo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 17:15:20

So...what's wrong with her words? Other than the white dudes don't want to be called the racists that they are?
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Jul 16, 2019 17:37:50

PhillieMooDo wrote:So...what's wrong with her words? Other than the white dudes don't want to be called the racists that they are?


Among other volumes, the House has used Thomas Jefferson’s "Manual of Parliamentary Practice" as a touchstone for House operations even today. Jefferson’s manual stated that House members cannot use language on the floor "which is personally offensive to the President."

The House also has relied on Cannon’s Book of Precedents, authored by the late Missouri Rep. Clarence Cannon, a Democrat. Cannon’s book says that "personal criticism, innuendo, ridicule and terms of opprobrium" are out of the order in the House.
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 16, 2019 17:41:52

Some rule that says you can't say the president said something racist or is a racist.

Boo hoo

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 16, 2019 17:55:30

would he actually be offended
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jul 16, 2019 18:16:40

Seems odd not to just change the rule. I'm not a House rules expert, but I think just about everything in the House can be changed with simple majority votes.

They're about to pass a resolution that calls Trump's remarks racist, but they can't actually say that he's racist while they're talking about it.

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 16, 2019 18:37:31

One republican voted yes so far! Bipartisanship

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 16, 2019 18:42:02

Fitzpatrick is one of the 4 yays so far. Was gonna guess him!

Hurd is another. Upton and Susan Brooks round it out.

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby azrider » Tue Jul 16, 2019 18:59:21

trump loses handily to 3/4 of the democratic field. bernie vs trump... tossup

however trump will definitely beat omar/cortez/pressley/tlaib. they can not run.

other simple keys for a democratic victory...

do not make immigration an issue.
drop impeachment unless it can actually go somewhere.
let the foot off the gas attacking him 24/7, wait till general election.
act sane and stable, that's all the majority of the people really want.

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby 1 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 19:27:27

CalvinBall wrote:why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

Because they don’t raise flags for causes. The real reason is probably different.
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 16, 2019 19:35:11

CalvinBall wrote:why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

homophobe
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby Bucky » Tue Jul 16, 2019 19:47:32

1 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

Because they don’t raise flags for causes. The real reason is probably different.


'cause the banners they are flown in the last war

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 16, 2019 22:34:22

Bucky wrote:
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CalvinBall wrote:why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

Because they don’t raise flags for causes. The real reason is probably different.


'cause the banners they are flown in the last war

led the 4pm news for 6ABC; Wally put in a plant who faked her name as a 'woman on the street' reacting that it 'opened a can of worms'
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Jul 16, 2019 22:57:14

Bucky wrote:
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CalvinBall wrote:why did the mayor of reading say no to raising the pride flag?

Because they don’t raise flags for causes. The real reason is probably different.


'cause the banners they are flown in the last war


My search for Reading rainbow flag got more relevant hits than I probably deserved
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jul 16, 2019 23:03:48

A couple hours into listening to American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump by Tim Alberta. Still in the end of the Bush admin/start of Obama when I lived in DC the first time. So many not great memories, and the book is only gonna get more unpleasant.

Seems like the book is gonna be very, very interesting. It is well written and amazingly sourced. Alberta is a right of center person I think, but has been unsparing so far to all involved.

Looking at the times of the chapter length, it seems like Trump doesn't enter the picture until pretty late in his telling. It will be interesting to hear how so many of the fights between leadership and the Tea Party/HFC types play pre Trump. Lotta blame to go around.

(This is what I was doing while trying not to get annoyed by the Phillies. I can't say it was working post Neris, but better post Bryce)

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 16, 2019 23:12:50

Does it talk about Cantor and Bannon's primary test against him?

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jul 16, 2019 23:28:06

I have 24 hours and 18 minutes left in the book. I'll let you know!

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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby thephan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 01:38:04

The Muller Report is available on Audible. That seems rather bizarre for any other era then the current.
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Re: Politics Thread: Wear Your SPF and Don't Get Bernie'd

Postby Bucky » Wed Jul 17, 2019 01:43:50

yes, audiobooks have only really come into their own in the past decade or so

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