Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby joboggi » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:24:29

This does not get said enough.

If the Donald had nothing to hide why does he constantly attack the Justice Department and the FBI?

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby traderdave » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:54:33

I agree. Trump (and nearly everyone around him) have acted guilty as hell since Day One. There have been three or four stories for every revelation surrounding the Russia investigation. If the Trump Tower meeting, for example, was to get dirt on Clinton and your position is, "so what, that's not illegal", why did you feel the need to lie about the purpose of the meeting? If there is no link to Russia in your tax returns, why do you keep hiding behind the "audit" excuse to not release them? We all could spend the next week coming up with these rhetorical questions.

We are beyond the point where there is just smoke; there is plenty of flame, too, with multiple Trump advisors/confidantes going to prison for crimes related to the Russia investigation.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Feb 20, 2019 13:59:32

joboggi wrote:This does not get said enough.

If the Donald had nothing to hide why does he constantly attack the Justice Department and the FBI?

He attacks them because he says he has nothing to hide, so why are they wasting time on him when they could be going after crooked Hillary or someone else.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby momadance » Wed Feb 20, 2019 14:26:53

Washington (CNN) - Attorney General Bill Barr is preparing to announce as early as next week the completion of Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, with plans for Barr to submit to Congress soon after a summary of Mueller's confidential report, according to people familiar with the plans.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby 06hawkalum » Wed Feb 20, 2019 14:35:34

momadance wrote:Washington (CNN) - Attorney General Bill Barr is preparing to announce as early as next week the completion of Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, with plans for Barr to submit to Congress soon after a summary of Mueller's confidential report, according to people familiar with the plans.


Waiting for the pessimism expressed in the Harper thread to extend into this one!
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby traderdave » Wed Feb 20, 2019 14:46:21

Is it complete because Barr says its complete or because Mueller says its complete?

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Feb 20, 2019 14:49:48

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January 4 is my last day at NBC News and I’d like to say goodbye to my friends, hopefully not for good. This isn’t the first time I’ve left NBC, but this time the parting is more bittersweet, the world and the state of journalism in tandem crisis. My expertise, though seeming to be all the more central to the challenges and dangers we face, also seems to be less in value at the moment. And I find myself completely out of sync with the network, being neither a day-to-day reporter nor interested in the Trump circus.

I first started my association with NBC 30 years ago, feeding Cold War stories to Bob Windrem and Fred Francis at the Pentagon. I became an on-air analyst during the 1999 Kosovo War, continuing to work thereafter with Nightly News, delighting and oftentimes annoying in my peculiar position of being a mere civilian amongst THE GENERALS and former government officials. A scholar at heart, I also found myself an often lone voice that was anti-nuclear and even anti-military, anti-military for me meaning opinionated but also highly knowledgeable, somewhat akin to a movie critic, loving my subject but also not shy about making judgements regarding the flops and the losers.

When the attacks of 9/11 came, I was called back to NBC. I spent weeks on and off the air talking about al Qaeda and the various wars we were rushing into, arguing that airpower and drones would be the centerpiece not troops. In the new martial environment where only one war cry was sanctioned I was out of sync then as well. I retreated somewhat to writing a column for the Los Angeles Times, but even there I had to fight editors who couldn’t believe that there would be a war in Iraq. And I spoke up about the absence of any sort of strategy for actually defeating terrorism, annoying the increasing gaggles of those who seemed to accept that a state of perpetual war was a necessity.

I thought then that there was great danger in the embrace of process and officialdom over values and public longing, and I wrote about the increasing power of the national security community. Long before Trump and “deep state” became an expression, I produced one ginormous investigation – Top Secret America – for the Washington Post and I wrote a nasty book – American Coup – about the creeping fascism of homeland security. Looking back now they were both harbingers for what President Obama (and then Trump) faced in terms of largely failing to make enduring change.

Somewhere in all of that, and particularly as the social media wave began, it was clear that NBC (like the rest of the news media) could no longer keep up with the world. Added to that was the intellectual challenge of how to report our new kind of wars when there were no real fronts and no actual measures of success. To me there is also a larger problem: though they produce nothing that resembles actual safety and security, the national security leaders and generals we have are allowed to do their thing unmolested. Despite being at “war,” no great wartime leaders or visionaries are emerging. There is not a soul in Washington who can say that they have won or stopped any conflict. And though there might be the beloved perfumed princes in the form of the Petraeus’ and Wes Clarks’, or the so-called warrior monks like Mattis and McMaster, we’ve had more than a generation of national security leaders who sadly and fraudulently done little of consequence. And yet we (and others) embrace them, even the highly partisan formers who masquerade as “analysts”. We do so ignoring the empirical truth of what they have wrought: There is not one country in the Middle East that is safer today than it was 18 years ago. Indeed the world becomes ever more polarized and dangerous.

As perpetual war has become accepted as a given in our lives, I’m proud to say that I’ve never deviated in my argument at NBC (or at my newspaper gigs) that terrorists will never be defeated until we better understand why they are driven to fighting. And I have maintained my central view that airpower (in its broadest sense including space and cyber) is not just the future but the enabler and the tool of war today.

Seeking refuge in its political horse race roots, NBC (and others) meanwhile report the story of war as one of Rumsfeld vs. the Generals, as Wolfowitz vs. Shinseki, as the CIA vs. Cheney, as the bad torturers vs. the more refined, about numbers of troops and number of deaths, and even then Obama vs. the Congress, poor Obama who couldn’t close Guantanamo or reduce nuclear weapons or stand up to Putin because it was just so difficult. We have contributed to turning the world national security into this sort of political story. I find it disheartening that we do not report the failures of the generals and national security leaders. I find it shocking that we essentially condone continued American bumbling in the Middle East and now Africa through our ho-hum reporting.

I’m a difficult guy, not prone to either protocol or procedure and I give NBC credit that it tolerated me through my various incarnations. I hope people will say in the early days that I made Brokaw and company smarter about nuclear weapons, about airpower, and even about al Qaeda. And I’m proud to say that I also was one of the few to report that there weren’t any WMD in Iraq and remember fondly presenting that conclusion to an incredulous NBC editorial board. I argued endlessly with MSNBC about all things national security for years, doing the daily blah, blah, blah in Secaucus, but also poking at the conventional wisdom of everyone from Matthews to Hockenberry. And yet I feel like I’ve failed to convey this larger truth about the hopelessness of our way of doing things, especially disheartened to watch NBC and much of the rest of the news media somehow become a defender of Washington and the system.

Windrem again convinced me to return to NBC to join the new investigative unit in the early days of the 2016 presidential campaign. I thought that the mission was to break through the machine of perpetual war acceptance and conventional wisdom to challenge Hillary Clinton’s hawkishness. It was also an interesting moment at NBC because everyone was looking over their shoulder at Vice and other upstarts creeping up on the mainstream. But then Trump got elected and Investigations got sucked into the tweeting vortex, increasingly lost in a directionless adrenaline rush, the national security and political version of leading the broadcast with every snow storm. And I would assert that in many ways NBC just began emulating the national security state itself – busy and profitable. No wars won but the ball is kept in play.

I’d argue that under Trump, the national security establishment not only hasn’t missed a beat but indeed has gained dangerous strength. Now it is ever more autonomous and practically impervious to criticism. I’d also argue, ever so gingerly, that NBC has become somewhat lost in its own verve, proxies of boring moderation and conventional wisdom, defender of the government against Trump, cheerleader for open and subtle threat mongering, in love with procedure and protocol over all else (including results). I accept that there’s a lot to report here, but I’m more worried about how much we are missing. Hence my desire to take a step back and think why so little changes with regard to America’s wars.

I know it is characteristic of our overexcited moment to blast away at former employers and mainstream institutions, but all I can say is that despite many frustrations, my time at NBC has been gratifying. Working with Cynthia McFadden has been the experience of a lifetime. I’ve learned a ton about television from her and Kevin Monahan, the secret insider tricks of the trade and the very big picture of what makes for original stories (and how powerful they can be). The young reporters at NBC are also universally excellent. Thanks to Noah Oppenheim for his support of my contrarian and disruptive presence. And to Janelle Rodriguez, who eventually came around to understanding deep expertise. The Nightly crew has also been a constant fan of my too long stories and a great team. I continue to marvel as Phil Griffin carries out his diabolical plan for the cable network to take over the world.

I’m proud of the work I’ve done with my team and know that there’s more to do. But for now it’s time to take a break. I’m ever so happy to return to writing and thinking without the officiousness of editorial tyrants or corporate standards. And of course I yearn to go back to my first love, which is writing boring reports about secret programs, grateful that the American government so graciously obliges in its constant supply. And I particularly feel like the world is moving so quickly that even in just the little national security world I inhabit, I need more time to sit back and think. And to replenish.

In our day-to-day whirlwind and hostage status as prisoners of Donald Trump, I think – like everyone else does – that we miss so much. People who don’t understand the medium, or the pressures, loudly opine that it’s corporate control or even worse, that it’s partisan. Sometimes I quip in response to friends on the outside (and to government sources) that if they mean by the word partisan that it is New Yorkers and Washingtonians against the rest of the country then they are right.

For me I realized how out of step I was when I looked at Trump’s various bumbling intuitions: his desire to improve relations with Russia, to denuclearize North Korea, to get out of the Middle East, to question why we are fighting in Africa, even in his attacks on the intelligence community and the FBI. Of course he is an ignorant and incompetent impostor. And yet I’m alarmed at how quick NBC is to mechanically argue the contrary, to be in favor of policies that just spell more conflict and more war. Really? We shouldn’t get out Syria? We shouldn’t go for the bold move of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula? Even on Russia, though we should be concerned about the brittleness of our democracy that it is so vulnerable to manipulation, do we really earn for the Cold War? And don’t even get me started with the FBI: What? We now lionize this historically destructive institution?

Even without Trump, our biggest challenge as we move forward is that we have become exhausted parents of our infant (and infantile) social media children. And because of the “cycle,” we at NBC (and all others in the field of journalism) suffer from a really bad case of not being able to ever take a breath. We are a long way from resolving the rules of the road in this age, whether it be with regard to our personal conduct or anything related to hard news. I also don’t think that we are on a straight line towards digital nirvana, that is, that all of this information will democratize and improve society. I sense that there is already smartphone and social media fatigue creeping across the land, and my guess is that nothing we currently see – nothing that is snappy or chatty – will solve our horrific challenges of information overload or the role (and nature) of journalism. And I am sure that once Trump leaves center stage, society will have a gigantic media hangover. Thus for NBC – and for everyone else – there is challenge and opportunity ahead. I’d particularly like to think and write more about that.

There’s a saying about consultants, that organizations hire them to hear exactly what they want to hear. I’m proud to say that NBC didn’t do that when it came to me. Similarly I can say that I’m proud that I’m not guilty of giving my employers what they wanted. Still, the things this and most organizations fear most – variability, disturbance, difference – those things that are also the primary drivers of creativity – are not really the things that I see valued in the reporting ranks.

I’m happy to go back to writing and commentary. This winter, I’m proud to say that I’ve put the finishing touches on a 9/11 conspiracy novel that I’ve been toiling on for over a decade. It’s a novel, but it meditates on the question of how to understand terrorists in a different way. And I’m undertaking two new book-writing projects, one fiction about a lone reporter and his magical source that hopes to delve into secrecy and the nature of television. And, If you read this far, I am writing a non-fiction book, an extended essay about national security and why we never seem to end our now perpetual state of war. There is lots of media critique out there, tons of analysis of leadership and the Presidency. But on the state of our national security? Not so much. Hopefully I will find myself thinking beyond the current fire and fury and actually suggest a viable alternative. Wish me luck.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Feb 20, 2019 14:59:13

traderdave wrote:Is it complete because Barr says its complete or because Mueller says its complete?


Great question.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby JUburton » Wed Feb 20, 2019 16:02:31

https://www.axios.com/netanyahu-deal-je ... ntent=1100

This seems bad?

After two weeks of efforts, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu succeeded in forming a united ultra right-wing party that will run in the April 9 elections, paving the way for Jewish supremacists from the "Jewish Power" party to make it into the next Knesset.

Why it matters: This is an unprecedented development in Israel's history, and the equivalent of a U.S. president cutting a political deal with David Duke, the former KKK leader. The Prime Minister and the ruling Likud Party are legitimizing a racist, xenophobic and homophobic fringe party in hopes of bolstering a right-wing bloc after the elections.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby The Sarge » Wed Feb 20, 2019 18:33:36

Remember the Trump administration's push to decriminalize homosexuality around the world? He was asked about it today, and it appears he knows nothing about it:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1098343075280310273

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Feb 20, 2019 18:35:39

We have many reports

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 18:41:07

EZ Reader version

REPORTER: Mr President, on your push to decriminalize homosexuality, are you doing that? And why?

TRUMP: Say it?

REPORTER: Your push to decriminalize homosexuality across the world.

TRUMP: I don't know which report you're talking about. We have many reports. Anybody else?
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Trent Steele » Wed Feb 20, 2019 19:02:56

CalvinBall wrote:We have many reports



:ce:
I know what you're asking yourself and the answer is yes. I have a nick name for my penis. Its called the Octagon, but I also nick named my testes - my left one is James Westfall and my right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater.

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 21:06:29

Kid hates his dad yo
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 21:18:59

White Nationalist Coast Guard officer stock piling to take out liberals.

The list is still being compiled. He was keeping a spreadsheet:

MSNBC hosts Chris Hayes, Joe Scarborough, and Ari Melber; Sens. Richard Blumenthal—or “blumen jew,” in Hasson’s writing—Tim Kaine, Chuck Schumer, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand and Cory Booker; Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ilhan Omar; CNN’s Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, and Van Jones; as well as prominent Democrats Beto O’Rourke and John Podesta, and the Democratic Socialists of America.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 22:24:13

Meet William Happer, Tru,ps pick to chair the climate change panel to refute the Pentagon and IC assessment that climate change is a serious threat to national security. He also once argued on CNBC in 2014 that “the demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.”
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Feb 20, 2019 22:34:47

thephan wrote:Meet William Happer, Tru,ps pick to chair the climate change panel to refute the Pentagon and IC assessment that climate change is a serious threat to national security. He also once argued on CNBC in 2014 that “the demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.”


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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Feb 21, 2019 00:14:34

traderdave wrote:I agree. Trump (and nearly everyone around him) have acted guilty as hell since Day One. There have been three or four stories for every revelation surrounding the Russia investigation. If the Trump Tower meeting, for example, was to get dirt on Clinton and your position is, "so what, that's not illegal", why did you feel the need to lie about the purpose of the meeting? If there is no link to Russia in your tax returns, why do you keep hiding behind the "audit" excuse to not release them? We all could spend the next week coming up with these rhetorical questions.

We are beyond the point where there is just smoke; there is plenty of flame, too, with multiple Trump advisors/confidantes going to prison for crimes related to the Russia investigation.


Yeh, and if Trump knew nothing, why was he telling an audience that there was going to be stuff about Hillary in a few days or whatever he said? There are way too many instances where Trump certainly showed he knew something. Maybe he wasn't told all the details, but he knew. He's an idiot, but from what I can tell, most of them are idiots. They were all played by Russia. It wouldn't even surprise me if Putin wanted them to do his bidding and then get caught to show his power, blow up our government, and create division and chaos. He still wins if they all go to jail.
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Re: Where the hell is the new POLITICS thread?

Postby The Dude » Thu Feb 21, 2019 01:08:32

I think they probably told him they heard something was going to drop, but didn't say they talked to Russia about it. IDK, if you listen to the podcast you might see what i was saying
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