One article notes Manafort life sentencing will give Mueller the opportunity to reveal the background behind Manafort lies.

That will be a hot news day.

I haven't heard it discussed in a while, but there's a decent chance that Manafort was wiretapped during that period right before and/or after the election. Trump complained about Obama wiretapping Trump Tower and that was always denied, but there was never a denial that Manafort was tapped and maybe Trump was caught up in that. If that's the case, it won't matter if Manafort is able to testify or not. A recording won't be inadmissible just because Manafort is a liar.

For all we know, those potential taped conversations might be the thing Manafort lied about. And the delay of Manafort's sentencing might have been Mueller buying time for Trump to turn in the answers to Mueller's questions, which probably also contains lies, maybe even the same lies that Manafort gave.

All I want for Christmas is a tape recording of Manafort and Trump discussing how they conspired with Russia to rig the election. Seriously, I won't accept a single present if that comes to pass.

Democrats have picked up a net gain of 38 seats, and will hold 233 seats in the House of Representatives, according to CNN's projections. Two races remain uncalled -- CA-21 and New Mexico's 2nd Congressional District. The Democratic candidate leads in both races. Democrat Xochitl Torres Small is ahead of Republican Yvette Herrell in NM-2. Both districts are Republican-held seats.

And so it goes, the Dems won or lead in 40 races. 2 races are not yet called according to CNN.

momadance wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:President Trump tweeted about CNN facing little global ratings competition and that the US should make its own worldwide network. Poor FoxNews.

He can't mention FoxNews because it performed so terribly in the UK that Sky stopped broadcasting it.

garbage, liberal Vox pointed out that FOX News is basically already openly campaigning for Republicans in new and exciting ways. I'm old enough to remember the hub bub caused by Keith Olbermann donating to a few candidates.

JFLNYC wrote:What Manafort has done is pretty diabolical. Mueller will now not be able to use Manafort as a reliable witness, which could hurt his case(s) against Trump, et al. The downside to Manafort is a longer prison sentence but it won’t matter if Trump pardons him or commutes his sentence, the likelihood of which just increased because, in effect, Manafort will now not testify against him.

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/stat ... 5230669824

JFLNYC wrote:What Manafort has done is pretty diabolical. Mueller will now not be able to use Manafort as a reliable witness, which could hurt his case(s) against Trump, et al. The downside to Manafort is a longer prison sentence but it won’t matter if Trump pardons him or commutes his sentence, the likelihood of which just increased because, in effect, Manafort will now not testify against him.

Except we don't know what Manafort lied about. For all we know, he exaggerated others' misdeeds in order to make his testimony more desirable (i.e., angle for a more lenient sentence).

He may have even over-implicated the President; if so, it'd be a great move by Mueller to reject those lies publicly and create a clear Exhibit A of why his investigation is not a Witch Hunt(TM). Not that Trump or his supporters would care, but Congress would.

Dude on MJ this morning (it might have been Robert Costa) offered up his simple explanation, which was that Manafort gambled on what Mueller actually knew and he clearly lost. So, while Manafort may have succeeded in tainting himself as a witness, this could be a primer on just how much Mueller knows.

That is the thing.

We are GOING to know the details of Manafort's lies. There is no pardon for the truth. Once the truth is out there, then we will see who is controlling whom, and vice versa.

Manafort was the chief connection for YEARS for dozens of Eastern European political nuts to the Kremlin.

Humpf, I wonder what he did for the Donald.

And they have it all on tape, or the internet connection between US and Russia

And finally now that we have a Dem congress, the work product of the Mueller, WILL come out.

Pardoning someone that could implcate you must be abuse of power. At least in my world it is abuse of power.

Joboggi are you part of the cover up? What do you know?

traderdave wrote:Dude on MJ this morning (it might have been Robert Costa) offered up his simple explanation, which was that Manafort gambled on what Mueller actually knew and he clearly lost. So, while Manafort may have succeeded in tainting himself as a witness, this could be a primer on just how much Mueller knows.

Yup.

I feel like that scenario is far more likely than his sudden lies ruining things Mueller was working on.

Manafort secretly visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy in London spring of 2016 just as he joined the Trump campaign (or right before)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

Lol

A well-placed source has told the Guardian that Manafort went to see Assange around March 2016. Months later WikiLeaks released a stash of Democratic emails stolen by Russian intelligence officers.

Manafort, 69, denies involvement in the hack and says the claim is “100% false”. His lawyers declined to answer the Guardian’s questions about the visits.

This is starting to get too long and complicated for a full length movie. Going to have to be a trilogy.

traderdave wrote:Dude on MJ this morning (it might have been Robert Costa) offered up his simple explanation, which was that Manafort gambled on what Mueller actually knew and he clearly lost. So, while Manafort may have succeeded in tainting himself as a witness, this could be a primer on just how much Mueller knows.

related

https://www.emptywheel.net/category/mueller-probe/

But Mueller’s team appears to have no doubt that Manafort was lying to them. That means they didn’t really need his testimony, at all. It also means they had no need to keep secrets — they could keep giving Manafort the impression that he was pulling a fast one over the prosecutors, all while reporting misleading information to Trump that he could use to fill out his open book test. Which increases the likelihood that Trump just submitted sworn answers to those questions full of lies.

So you're saying the career prosecutor is better at this than the group of dumbass criminals?

Saw a meme on facebook today that went something like, " 17 of the country's best prosecutors versus fools that tried to conspire with russia on Facebook messenger." I think that about sums it up.

On the other hand, the fools were successful, so you never know. When one group has to follow strict rules and the other can and will do whatever it deems necessary, there's always an element of uncertainty. You know Trump/Putin/whoever has something prepared for when the shoe drops. Based on how they act on a daily basis, whatever it is will most likely be extreme and over whatever red line they can find. It's not going to be pretty, especially if the charges are very serious. They could try declaring martial law or something crazy. He could try to incite violence in the streets with militia groups. He could try having loyalists arrest Mueller and others. I wouldn't put hardly anything past him. He's unhinged and sees himself as the only thing that matters. The dude is dangerous. Fortunately, he's also a coward, so maybe he'll do nothing. I just think it's really hard to tell.

Did Manafort tweet a picture of his passport cover to prove he's never been to London?

WikiLeaks has proven it all to be false because the Guardian edited the headline to add "sources say" and also that the Guardian edited the piece to add Assange's denial!!!!

You can't trust known right-wing source The Guardian.

Democrat Xochitl Torres Small has defeated Republican Yvette Herrell in one of the nation's last outstanding House races, New Mexico certified Tuesday morning.