Squire wrote:I just don't get how the dude even has a constituency left. He has literally made nobody any better off. The business community hates him for this senseless trade war.

White people -> uneducated white people -> uneducated white men

jerseyhoya wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Phred wrote:

The Sarge wrote:

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!!

And yet, he wants to start a cyber security task force with them.

Laying the groundwork for not giving up the office if he loses in 2020.

One step closer to Trump declaring martial law. Once he gets Kavanaugh confirmed there will be no check on his doing so.

This is a strong take.

If you were to see the following tweets sometime this Fall before the election would you be shocked?

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Russia has cyberattacked us and the Democrats and the media are attacking our Democracy! For our national security have to declare martial law and hold off on the elections and shut down the FAKE NEWS until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

And would you then be surprised to see: (a) a few Republican MOC's express "concern," but do nothing; and (b) the SCOTUS uphold Trump's decision based on his claim of national security?

It all may not come to pass, but the scary thing is there's really nothing legally or politically to stop Trump from doing it. We are entirely at Trump's mercy.

Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

JFLNYC wrote:It all may not come to pass, but the scary thing is there's really nothing legally or politically to stop Trump from doing it. We are entirely at Trump's mercy.

An even stronger take.

Fox got the wrong guest this morning. They thought they were going to an AZ Dem candidate who supports Trump-like immigration policies, but they got a MA Dem candidate who opposes Trump policies. She was ranting against the policies that separate families, and the hosts were confused. The good people on Fox and Friends literally say 'who is that' before the feed got cut.

Fox contacted the wrong people, and they seemed to have played along to get their messaging out. They might have even responded pretending to be with the other campaign. Someone should have figured it out pre-broadcast. Seem pretty easy to sort out when you are setting up a broadcast, but what do I know.

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

Marital Law is not happening, but todays tweet is certainly not a positive step. Of course Putang said just a week ago that he did want Trump in the Oval. I mean how stupid are we taken to be?

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

I suspect you’ll make the argument that principled Republicans would rise up to stop him politically. They wouldn’t, but arguing the point is a waste of time.

What I really want to know is what you think can be done to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open.

Ivanka 2024 - continue the reign

This is in regards to her announcement that she shuttering her fashion brand to focus on 'her career in public policy'. It easier to steal from the inside after all. That does erode the story that she is massively successful otherwise she could have easily sold the brand. Maybe the tariffs crushed that both in terms of the ability to produce cheaply, and that the Chinese might have made the buy, but now they simply cannot.

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

I suspect you’ll make the argument that principled Republicans would rise up to stop him politically. They wouldn’t, but arguing the point is a waste of time.

What I really want to know is what you think can be done to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open.

The whole idea is insane for about 100 different reasons.

For starters, states run elections. Trump could say elections are cancelled and they'd still happen. We held elections during the Civil War and World War II. Constitutionally the terms of every member of the House expire on January 3, 2019 as well as 1/3 of the Senate. Suspending elections doesn't fix that.

you missed a zero or two JH

some talking head was squeaking that the Russia cyber attack on the mid-terms is a win-win. Either the Dems prevail, and Trump says some version of 'told you so' (look @ my tweets), or the script does not flip and he says 'look how strong I was'.

OTOH if the Dems could get out of their own way...

North Carolina's legislature is essentially trying to subvert their own democracy by changing judicial election rules on the fly. We already gave the presidency to the person with less votes and have also done this in the past. We have citizens of the US who have no say over who becomes president or who resides in Congress. We likely will do it again in the future, perhaps with even larger margins. Our own state is one of the more undemocratic in the country. If we continue on this trajectory we have the potential to become an illiberal nation. We won't even know it until after it's happened. It's already been the case in areas of the country for years, whether it be on a city level, a town level, or even a state level. Democracy is being taken from the people.

It's not good, and it's real and it's happening right now everyday, little by little. Backing just about anything this administration does is a stamp of approval of the march. This includes voting yes on Kavanaugh. This includes 'giving Trump a chance'. This includes voting for a Republican at any level of government. Until the leadership is gone, we cannot begin to fix the cancer that has become the GOP. That itself will take years. Right now we have one party that is attempting to be part of a democracy and it's bad at winning elections, has lots of systemic disadvantages, and is fighting within itself against an authoritarian stain that is in control.

I agree martial law will not happen. But lots of other things WILL happen, many of them harbringers of the society we are crafting. We are going backwards, everyday.

these are my thoughts. they're not happy, but they're real. i do think there is a good chance we can wrestle power away from them, but we have to DO GOOD and undo lots and lots and lots of bad when it happens. Policies have to be ready to go, a plan has to be in place, a real economic and social framework that seeks to build up as many people as possible as quickly as possible. We need to institute as much democratic (small d) reform as possible and harness it to effect real change. If we don't, we become a better form of Turkey. yippee?

jerseyhoya wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

I suspect you’ll make the argument that principled Republicans would rise up to stop him politically. They wouldn’t, but arguing the point is a waste of time.

What I really want to know is what you think can be done to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open.

The whole idea is insane for about 100 different reasons.

For starters, states run elections. Trump could say elections are cancelled and they'd still happen. We held elections during the Civil War and World War II. Constitutionally the terms of every member of the House expire on January 3, 2019 as well as 1/3 of the Senate. Suspending elections doesn't fix that.

You didn’t answer my question: What do you think can be done legally to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open?

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

I suspect you’ll make the argument that principled Republicans would rise up to stop him politically. They wouldn’t, but arguing the point is a waste of time.

What I really want to know is what you think can be done to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open.

The whole idea is insane for about 100 different reasons.

For starters, states run elections. Trump could say elections are cancelled and they'd still happen. We held elections during the Civil War and World War II. Constitutionally the terms of every member of the House expire on January 3, 2019 as well as 1/3 of the Senate. Suspending elections doesn't fix that.

You didn’t answer my question: What do you think can be done legally to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open?

I don't understand your question separate from the idea of trying to suspend elections. What do you think would happen if Trump declared martial law? What does that even mean?

presidents have declared martial law; they can declare that public safety demands it.

It's in our history and there's little reason to suspect it wouldn't or couldn't happen now.

thephan wrote:some talking head was squeaking that the Russia cyber attack on the mid-terms is a win-win. Either the Dems prevail, and Trump says some version of 'told you so' (look @ my tweets), or the script does not flip and he says 'look how strong I was'.

OTOH if the Dems could get out of their own way...

Are Democrats in their own way?

Mostly it hurts knowing he's going to get away with it and he'll be running again in 2020. When or how does the insane bullshit stop if it keeps winning elections?

jerseyhoya wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes, I would be shocked if marital law was declared to suspend November's elections

And there's plenty to stop Trump from doing it, legally and politically

I suspect you’ll make the argument that principled Republicans would rise up to stop him politically. They wouldn’t, but arguing the point is a waste of time.

What I really want to know is what you think can be done to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open.

The whole idea is insane for about 100 different reasons.

For starters, states run elections. Trump could say elections are cancelled and they'd still happen. We held elections during the Civil War and World War II. Constitutionally the terms of every member of the House expire on January 3, 2019 as well as 1/3 of the Senate. Suspending elections doesn't fix that.

You didn’t answer my question: What do you think can be done legally to stop the President from declaring martial law, especially if he doesn’t try to suspend Habeas Corpus and keeps the courts open?

I don't understand your question separate from the idea of trying to suspend elections. What do you think would happen if Trump declared martial law? What does that even mean?

I said it might not happen. Maybe it's very, very unlikely, as others have pointed out.

But the question was not whether it would happen. Rather is was whether you'd be shocked to see: (a) Trump tweet what I wrote; (b) Congress not act; and (c) the SC uphold Trump's actions. You said you would be shocked, so I'll take you at your word. But based on what's happened over the course of the last year and a half I think it's more than a little naive to think Trump wouldn't at least try it out in a tweet and that, if he did try to do it, I also think it's very much an open question how far, if at all, a Republican Congress and the SCOTUS with Kavanaugh would go to stop it.

pacino wrote:presidents have declared martial law; they can declare that public safety demands it.

It's in our history and there's little reason to suspect it wouldn't or couldn't happen now.

especially when there are dozens of groups very heavily armed, organized, and seemingly under the spell of their cult leader. They've been preparing for some society-changing event for decades. They'll eagerly go to the streets to stop the people protesting Trump and to scare a nation that is no longer used to getting it's hands dirty defending its rights.