From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby gr » Fri Jun 29, 2018 02:09:23

Of course he doesnt care about journalists. This isnt peoples lives anymore. Its reality TV, ratings, and shouting culture. No one actually dies, they just get to play dramatic parts. Oh, you were written out of life? Maybe you'll get a part on Season 14 of CSI Nashville.

I dont care about the policy positions this administration has that I might happen to agree with because its lead by a self-obsessed psychopath with zero basic human empathy. He's the only President in the nation's history that could conceivably single-handedly destroy the entire essance and organizing principle of what this country is supposed to be. I didnt think that was possible a year ago. But people go on TV with t-shirts and catchphrases to back him because its fun cheap theatre and no one in their circles are effected.

Its not what they're doing, its how they do it. They are the living embodiment of the one asshole in every crowd theory. They all got together and formed one mega voltron shit show.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby gr » Fri Jun 29, 2018 02:18:29

Rococo4 wrote:i just think all the hate toward Kennedy is ridiculous, he served for 30 years, gave the left a few very high profile landmark wins, and they trash him as he goes out the door as an 81 year old.


i just think all the hate toward Dianne Feinstein is ridiculous, she's served in the Senate for 26 years, after being a big city mayor for a decade, gave the left a few very high profile landmark wins, and people trash her even though she continues to do her job as an elected official.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Fri Jun 29, 2018 07:33:47

Congress is finally getting tough on the executive branch...THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU ROD ROSENSTEIN!!!!!

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 07:56:19

The primary motive could be a personal vendetta but he could still be emboldened by a right wing media and president of the united states who say the press is the enemy. I only said 'egged on' by the president, not directed by the president.

And honestly whether this particular shooting actually had anything to do with POTUS or Milo doesn't fucking matter. It's dangerous rhetoric that could influence or directly lead to violence. And it probably will one day. See: guy shooting up planned parenthood because they 'kill babies'.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 08:03:30

Rococo4 wrote:
JUburton wrote:
Rococo4 wrote:
JUburton wrote:lmao at the notion that mcconnell wouldn't have gotten rid of the appellate court filibuster the INSTANT judicial nominees were being held up.


or to think that had the situation been on the other foot in 2016, the Democrats wouldnt have done the exact same thing to leave a vacant liberal seat open. It's all politics and power. Both sides have done it, basically since Bork nomination in 1987.
Bork was scuttled because it went from a swing vote to a hard right and the democrats had the senate. The Senate approved Kennedy 97-0. BOTH SIDES


It was dumb strategy to try and block Gorsuch, no matter how pissed you guys were (and not really you guys because none of us have votes, I'm just refering to the Senate Democrats), because it is unlikely the 50 votes would have been there to change the rules now with the "swing" justice retiring.
When Gorsuch was confirmed, McCain was healthy and the prospect of a Doug Jones victory was almost literally impossible. At that moment it was 52-48 with no prospect of it changing anytime soon and allowing Gorsuch to go through without a filibuster after not holding hearings for Merrick Garland was just impossible. There's no reason to think that if the SC filibuster was in place with those numbers that you would ever get three republican defectors, swing justice or not. Even today I think all Republicans would fall in line on this motion, depending on the justice. It would be a proxy vote for whomever is on the table.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Phred » Fri Jun 29, 2018 09:03:09

gr wrote:Of course he doesnt care about journalists. This isnt peoples lives anymore. Its reality TV, ratings, and shouting culture. No one actually dies, they just get to play dramatic parts. Oh, you were written out of life? Maybe you'll get a part on Season 14 of CSI Nashville.

I dont care about the policy positions this administration has that I might happen to agree with because its lead by a self-obsessed psychopath with zero basic human empathy. He's the only President in the nation's history that could conceivably single-handedly destroy the entire essance and organizing principle of what this country is supposed to be. I didnt think that was possible a year ago. But people go on TV with t-shirts and catchphrases to back him because its fun cheap theatre and no one in their circles are effected.

Its not what they're doing, its how they do it. They are the living embodiment of the one asshole in every crowd theory. They all got together and formed one mega voltron shit show.


He's not the only president that "could" but he's the only president that has ever tried to.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 09:05:57

Gillibrand is basically for abolishing ICE. 'Get rid of it. Start over'. She has my vote for now.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Fri Jun 29, 2018 09:12:48

In an interview with NBC’s Kasie Hunt, California Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris responds to calls to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE).

"I think there’s no question that we’ve got to critically reexamine ICE and its role and the way it is being administered and the work it is doing," Harris said. "And we need to probably think about starting from scratch because there's a lot that is wrong with the way that it's conducting itself. And we need to deal with that."

"First of all, I don't think that the government should be in the position of separating families and that is clearly what is part of what's happening at ICE and DHS," she continued. "You look at what's happening, again, in terms of how they're conducting their perspective on asylum seekers, that is a real problem and is contrary to all of the spirit and the reason that we even have the asylum rules and laws in the first place."

"Their mission, I think, is very much in question and has to be reexamined," she said.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Fri Jun 29, 2018 09:14:31

Phred wrote:
gr wrote:Of course he doesnt care about journalists. This isnt peoples lives anymore. Its reality TV, ratings, and shouting culture. No one actually dies, they just get to play dramatic parts. Oh, you were written out of life? Maybe you'll get a part on Season 14 of CSI Nashville.

I dont care about the policy positions this administration has that I might happen to agree with because its lead by a self-obsessed psychopath with zero basic human empathy. He's the only President in the nation's history that could conceivably single-handedly destroy the entire essance and organizing principle of what this country is supposed to be. I didnt think that was possible a year ago. But people go on TV with t-shirts and catchphrases to back him because its fun cheap theatre and no one in their circles are effected.

Its not what they're doing, its how they do it. They are the living embodiment of the one asshat in every crowd theory. They all got together and formed one mega voltron #$!&@ show.


He's not the only president that "could" but he's the only president that has ever tried to.

Andrew Jackson was pretty bad, too. several of them owned slaves. FDR did one of the worst actions in the history of our country (great president in other aspects). we've actually had lots of bad presidents. trump being super stupid and having no checks and balances to stop him is the big change and most scary part, IMO. Also learning that 30% of our country is simply completely fine with authoritarianism.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Fri Jun 29, 2018 09:48:30

imagine opposing bringing democracy to 3 million people:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Puerto Rico's non-voting representative in Congress is introducing a bill that seeks to make the U.S. territory a state by 2021.

Resident Commissioner Jenniffer Gonzalez said Wednesday that 14 Democrats and 20 Republicans currently sponsor the bill among the 435 members in the House of Representatives.

"This is the first step to open a serious discussion regarding the ultimate status for the island," Gonzalez said.

The bill calls for the creation of a bipartisan, nine-member task force that would submit a report to Congress and to the president identifying laws that would need to be amended or repealed so Puerto Rico could become a state. The panel would also be instructed to recommend temporary economic measures to help the island Rico in the transition to statehood.

Puerto Rico has been a U.S. territory since 1898. Its inhabitants are U.S. citizens, though they are barred from voting in presidential elections and have only one congressional representative with limited voting powers.

Gov. Ricardo Rossello said the island's unequal status is the cause for 5.4 million Puerto Ricans to currently reside in the continental U.S., a trend exacerbated by the damage inflicted in September by Hurricane Maria.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:23:29

pacino wrote:
Phred wrote:
gr wrote:Of course he doesnt care about journalists. This isnt peoples lives anymore. Its reality TV, ratings, and shouting culture. No one actually dies, they just get to play dramatic parts. Oh, you were written out of life? Maybe you'll get a part on Season 14 of CSI Nashville.

I dont care about the policy positions this administration has that I might happen to agree with because its lead by a self-obsessed psychopath with zero basic human empathy. He's the only President in the nation's history that could conceivably single-handedly destroy the entire essance and organizing principle of what this country is supposed to be. I didnt think that was possible a year ago. But people go on TV with t-shirts and catchphrases to back him because its fun cheap theatre and no one in their circles are effected.

Its not what they're doing, its how they do it. They are the living embodiment of the one asshat in every crowd theory. They all got together and formed one mega voltron #$!&@ show.


He's not the only president that "could" but he's the only president that has ever tried to.

Andrew Jackson was pretty bad, too. several of them owned slaves. FDR did one of the worst actions in the history of our country (great president in other aspects). we've actually had lots of bad presidents. trump being super stupid and having no checks and balances to stop him is the big change and most scary part, IMO. Also learning that 30% of our country is simply completely fine with authoritarianism.


Harry Truman's response to the railroad strike is a little spooky. but, as you say, he actually had cooler heads that could prevail and the official actions were something less than the personal animus:

Every single one of the strikers and their demagogue leaders have been living in luxury.... Now I want you who are my comrades in arms ... to come with me and eliminate the Lewises, the Whitneys, the Johnstons, the Communist Bridges [all important union officials] and the Russian Senators and Representatives ... Let's put transportation and production back to work, hang a few traitors and make our own country safe for democracy.[141]
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 14:21:08

http://stutteringjohnpodcast.libsyn.com ... -podcast-4

A prank call that gets to POTUS at about 1:10. Only the best people.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Sarge » Fri Jun 29, 2018 14:26:11

@marcorubio


Sign of our times... the F word is now routinely used in news stories, tweets etc It’s not even F*** anymore. Who made that decision???


My guess would be the same person who thought it was appropriate to talk about his opponents' penis size in a campaign speech.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby TomatoPie » Fri Jun 29, 2018 15:52:33

When this is all done and in the history books, we'll see that Barrack was at the heart of dirty dealings with Russia during the 2016 election.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 29, 2018 22:06:44

Man Charged With Threatening to Kill Ajit Pai’s Family

Hopefully Democrats cool it with their rhetoric that could influence or directly lead to violence.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Fri Jun 29, 2018 22:11:35

Your president invited violence over a year ago. Tit for tat isn’t ok?

Democrats don’t have guns? Why are you afraid?
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Fri Jun 29, 2018 23:18:39

The Savior wrote:Your president invited violence over a year ago. Tit for tat isn’t ok?

Democrats don’t have guns? Why are you afraid?


It's good to get a reminder of why I should stay out of the politics thread from time to time. I'd like to read The Savior on sports without being reminded he thinks it's okay to physically attack a guy because he wants companies to be able to make more money from the internet.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Jun 30, 2018 03:29:15

jerseyhoya wrote:Man Charged With Threatening to Kill Ajit Pai’s Family

Hopefully Democrats cool it with their rhetoric that could influence or directly lead to violence.



I must have missed it. Did democrat leaders actually hint at people being violent to stop the ending of net neutrality? It's possible I missed it. The link is dead for me, but a quick article on Politico makes no mention of democrats suggesting violence. Was it in the article you posted?

Anyway, violence is always wrong, so that would be disappointing if it happened. Trump hinting at killing journalists and protestors was about the worst thing I've ever seen from a major politician, so I hope dems aren't taking his approach.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Sat Jun 30, 2018 08:29:01

swishnicholson wrote:
The Savior wrote:Your president invited violence over a year ago. Tit for tat isn’t ok?

Democrats don’t have guns? Why are you afraid?


It's good to get a reminder of why I should stay out of the politics thread from time to time. I'd like to read The Savior on sports without being reminded he thinks it's okay to physically attack a guy because he wants companies to be able to make more money from the internet.


IncitIng violence isn’t good. Regardless of party.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Sat Jun 30, 2018 08:59:00

jerseyhoya wrote:Man Charged With Threatening to Kill Ajit Pai’s Family

Hopefully Democrats cool it with their rhetoric that could influence or directly lead to violence.
you're better than this but maybe not

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