constitutionally permitted lol

CalvinBall wrote:constitutionally permitted lol

As much as we bitch about mcconnell, Obama saying 'eh fuck off' and just appointing and swearing in a justice without the senate's confirmation would be a disaster (again, it wouldn't be a recess appointment because mcconnell made sure there were no recesses). the judge would be immediately impeached.

he did the same thing in 2017 to make sure Trump wouldn't recess appoint any judges either. pro forma sessions are a completely normal tactic.

heyeaglefn wrote:Have a feeling people will appreciate Kennedy much more once his replacement is in place.

This. Replace him with another Scalia and Kennedy is going to look like Bernie.

Trump back to denying Russians interfered with the elections bc why not

CalvinBall wrote:Trump back to denying Russians interfered with the elections bc why not

He has to be nice or Putie won’t sleep with him at the summit.

pacino wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

pacino wrote:i think he's a weasel

the only reason we're supposed to think he's OK is because the court is so conservative in general. you admit he's a conservative Justice but to many in the public he's a moderate because the media has portrayed him as such for years.

How so though? That just seems like an optics issue, and not anything substantive. I'm not asking for you or anyone to be OK with him, he gave us #$!&@ Citizens United, but there are real reasons to respect the Justice and his legacy too.

i also think Ginsburg is too self-satisfied and should've retired a few years ago if she truly cared about the balance of the court. the egos of these people annoy me; even in his decision on Obergefell he came across to me as full of himself

Got to agree with all of this.

Honestly in the interest of fair play and no shit shows I think it would be a better system to simply enter all members in good standing of a bar association in the United States, select one by random lottery, do a standard FBI background check, and once passed they are a federal judge. Supreme Court is a lottery from thus appointed federal judges.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

pacino wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

pacino wrote:i think he's a weasel

the only reason we're supposed to think he's OK is because the court is so conservative in general. you admit he's a conservative Justice but to many in the public he's a moderate because the media has portrayed him as such for years.

How so though? That just seems like an optics issue, and not anything substantive. I'm not asking for you or anyone to be OK with him, he gave us #$!&@ Citizens United, but there are real reasons to respect the Justice and his legacy too.

i also think Ginsburg is too self-satisfied and should've retired a few years ago if she truly cared about the balance of the court. the egos of these people annoy me; even in his decision on Obergefell he came across to me as full of himself

Got to agree with all of this.

Honestly in the interest of fair play and no shit shows I think it would be a better system to simply enter all members in good standing of a bar association in the United States, select one by random lottery, do a standard FBI background check, and once passed they are a federal judge. Supreme Court is a lottery from thus appointed federal judges.

As a member in good standing of a bar association in the United States, I say please no. Plus, the whole Constitutional argument against it.

CalvinBall wrote:Trump back to denying Russians interfered with the elections bc why not

It is nice Vlad offers to review his book report in person.

JFLNYC wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Have a feeling people will appreciate Kennedy much more once his replacement is in place.

This. Replace him with another Scalia and Kennedy is going to look like Bernie.

He willingly retired to allow said clone to be seated

pacino wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:Have a feeling people will appreciate Kennedy much more once his replacement is in place.

This. Replace him with another Scalia and Kennedy is going to look like Bernie.

He willingly retired to allow said clone to be seated

As progressives we often talk about being kinder and more empathetic towards others. Kennedy will be 82 when he retires and has served 30 years on the court. The guy is a human and allowed to retire at an age when most people have been retired for 10-15 years or more and many others are dead. He’s allowed and entitled to stop working and enjoy whatever time he’s got left on this Earth without being pilloried for it.

JFLNYC wrote: Kennedy will be 82 when he retires and has served 30 years on the court. The guy is a human and allowed to retire at an age when most people have been retired for 10-15 years or more and many others are dead. He’s allowed and entitled to stop working and enjoy whatever time he’s got left on this Earth without being pilloried for it.

Kennedy accepted a lifetime appointment for a job where it's common to work well past normal retirement. Given that he's been OK with that for 15+ years, what's another 4 months?

His larger duty is to serve the interests of the nation and help SCOTUS serve its role as a check on POTUS and congress.

Given that our current POTUS is being investigated for colluding with Russians to tilt an election and the GOP congress does nothing to constrain him, Kennedy had a civic duty to postpone his retirement until the midterms.

I don't know if he's senile or a closet bigot but there is no excuse to give this gift to a traitor. Kennedy has ruined his own legacy.

Yeah, SCOTUS is not some normal job. Give me a break.

Kennedy a closet Trumper?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/ ... urt-236925

well, yeah, why do think he's stepping down now?

from a selfish standpoint, all this lower court shuffling this could completely fuck up my wife's work (not too mention all the people she represents) and mean we may have to uproot ourselves for something new at some point.

thanks for your votes on gay rights, kennedy, but fuck off.

TomatoPie wrote:

JFLNYC wrote: Kennedy will be 82 when he retires and has served 30 years on the court. The guy is a human and allowed to retire at an age when most people have been retired for 10-15 years or more and many others are dead. He’s allowed and entitled to stop working and enjoy whatever time he’s got left on this Earth without being pilloried for it.

Kennedy accepted a lifetime appointment for a job where it's common to work well past normal retirement. Given that he's been OK with that for 15+ years, what's another 4 months?

His larger duty is to serve the interests of the nation and help SCOTUS serve its role as a check on POTUS and congress.

Given that our current POTUS is being investigated for colluding with Russians to tilt an election and the GOP congress does nothing to constrain him, Kennedy had a civic duty to postpone his retirement until the midterms.

I don't know if he's senile or a closet bigot but there is no excuse to give this gift to a traitor. Kennedy has ruined his own legacy.

Or maybe he’s just a Conservative acting in what he believes to be in his and the nation’s best interests by retiring when he can be assured another Conservative will be appointed. Maybe he believes he is in fact serving his larger duty by doing so.

I hate the situation and politics as much as anyone but Kennedy has no duty, civic or otherwise, to act against what he believes to be in his own and the country’s interests.

JFLNYC wrote:Or maybe he’s just a Conservative acting in what he believes to be in his and the nation’s best interests by retiring when he can be assured another Conservative will be appointed. Maybe he believes he is in fact serving his larger duty by doing so.

In November, he could retire with assurance he'd be replaced by a conservative. Even if Mueller takes out Trump AND Pence, President Mitt will appoint a solid conservative judge.

This timing is a gift to Trump, which is counter to the national interest. Kennedy knows that.

TomatoPie wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:Or maybe he’s just a Conservative acting in what he believes to be in his and the nation’s best interests by retiring when he can be assured another Conservative will be appointed. Maybe he believes he is in fact serving his larger duty by doing so.

In November, he could retire with assurance he'd be replaced by a conservative. Even if Mueller takes out Trump AND Pence, President Mitt will appoint a solid conservative judge.

This timing is a gift to Trump, which is counter to the national interest. Kennedy knows that.

Which may be (wait for it. . .) what Kennedy believes to be in the nation's best interest. You and I may not, but he may sincerely believe that.

I voted for Trump, I'm glad I did, and it was for this moment. I don't care what else happens if he is able to replace Scalia and Kennedy with two, young, solid conservatives. Bonus if he replaces Thomas next summer.

Of course Kennedy was going to retire. You could see it in his rulings this year. He is a Republican, generally conservative, his family are Republicans, and was appointed by a Republican president. He'll never have a better chance to be replaced by a similar, not opposite, replacement. And he is 81.

I hope blowing up the 60 vote rule for judges by Reid et al to pack the DC Circuit was worth it. It was for me.

Rococo4 wrote:I voted for Trump, I'm glad I did, and it was for this moment. I don't care what else happens if he is able to replace Scalia and Kennedy with two, young, solid conservatives. Bonus if he replaces Thomas next summer.

Of course Kennedy was going to retire. You could see it in his rulings this year. He is a Republican, generally conservative, his family are Republicans, and was appointed by a Republican president. He'll never have a better chance to be replaced by a similar, not opposite, replacement. And he is 81.

I hope blowing up the 60 vote rule for judges by Reid et al to pack the DC Circuit was worth it. It was for me.

With all due respect, which is none, FOH with this.

lmao at the notion that mcconnell wouldn't have gotten rid of the appellate court filibuster the INSTANT judicial nominees were being held up.