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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Fri Jan 12, 2018 19:30:43

Failing N.Y. Times publishes yet more knob slobbing of trump by David brooks. Won't link. But basically, the position is if trump didn't tweet, he'd be a fine president.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby swishnicholson » Fri Jan 12, 2018 19:48:04

TenuredVulture wrote:Failing N.Y. Times publishes yet more knob slobbing of trump by David brooks. Won't link. But basically, the position is if trump didn't tweet, he'd be a fine president.


Think this link will work.

I think it's a fairly useful observation. Criticisms of Trump sometimes reach such an hysterical level, that every time he manages to tie his shoes correctly or go two minutes without insulting the Pope people give him huge amounts of credit. People tune in expecting to see a dribbling idiot, and instead sometimes get the slick conman that he's been all his life and go away saying "all is well."

The Office of the Presidency has become more skilled in working around him and executing policy, much of which I, and I still believe the majority of Americans, find execrable. To continually portray it as a circus with the funny elephant in the center of the ring leading the charge, and which will inevitably spiral out of control I think provides a very dangerous distraction.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby The Dude » Fri Jan 12, 2018 21:20:26

TenuredVulture wrote:Failing N.Y. Times publishes yet more knob slobbing of trump by David brooks. Won't link. But basically, the position is if trump didn't tweet, he'd be a fine president.


Brooks explains how he's anti-trump in the article, and says the distractions allow him to change the country bc we're distracted by the tweets and horrible appearances on tv. how is that knob-slobbing.

Also, this
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/trump-shithole-countries-haiti-el-salvador-african-countries-immigration-racism.html
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 09:25:39

I think it would be an extremely flawed strategy by the Dems to shut down the USG Friday. Arguments about leverage aside, that message plays differently 10 months from now.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby JFLNYC » Sat Jan 13, 2018 09:37:52

I dunno. The message could be: “The Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate and the House and they still couldn’t keep the government functioning.” Most of the masses don’t understand it’s not that simple, so the message might work to the Dems’ advantage.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby JUburton » Sat Jan 13, 2018 09:46:49

They should shut it down.

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby jamiethekiller » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:07:22

JFLNYC wrote:I dunno. The message could be: “The Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate and the House and they still couldn’t keep the government functioning.” Most of the masses don’t understand it’s not that simple, so the message might work to the Dems’ advantage.



My mom went on some tirade about how Democrats are blocking Trump from doing things. She just doesn't understand that Republicans control every facet of the government. Then she says they don't have enough of then even though they've been operating under reconciliation. The mass certainly doesn't understand

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:25:45

It feeds the narrative of the obstructionist democrats. Past that it was a significant hit on several economies both times that the republicans did it, and it did not play out well. I think that the message of 'we can do it too' is a bad one for the democrats.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:53:12

Ok, so where does that narrative come from? Oh yeah, our right wing media. The democrats should not cave. You don't need to convince every One the republicans suck, just a majority. At worst, despite headwinds from the right wing media, dems in fact in a pretty strong position on this.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:58:58

Rmember too, democrats have won every time there's been a shut down pretty much. There's some risk to be sure, but honestly the message really is simple--reps sre the msjority, they own this.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:12:49

thephan wrote:I think it would be an extremely flawed strategy by the Dems to shut down the USG Friday. Arguments about leverage aside, that message plays differently 10 months from now.

Democrats could give zero votes and Republicans can still keep it together. Democrats can literally do nothing to prevent the government from functioning if the Republican party works together.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:14:06

JFLNYC wrote:I dunno. The message could be: “The Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate and the House and they still couldn’t keep the government functioning.” Most of the masses don’t understand it’s not that simple, so the message might work to the Dems’ advantage.

it literally is that simple

being 'obstructionist' had no actual negative outcome for Republicans for how many years. The voters gave them control of every facet of the federal government. If Dems want to deny votes for valid reasons to stand on the principle of preventing a million young adults from being deported and having 9 million children get their insurance funding back, do it. The Republicans NEED the Democrats because the Republicans have a wing that is so crazy they don't want to fund CHIP because it may cover a couple kids who are trans. Make the Republican leadership come begging for your votes to pass a bill that DESERVES your damn votes. Don't just give your votes because you're scared. As TV said, the rightwing portions of the media, and the mainstream media, is going to do what they're doing to do regardless of what happens. Stand for something and then explain why.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:32:19

That's the spirit, bitchez
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby CalvinBall » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:46:37

Are you able to vote absentee, monkey boy?

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:56:42

Yes, and I will. I think I'll register at my in-law's place because I get my official mail there.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby CalvinBall » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:26:44

Alright great. Gonna need your vote come primary season and November!

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:29:33

pacino wrote:this guy is a criminal who has no regard for the safety of his workers or the people who live in the region:
The memo was written by Robert E. Murray, a longtime Trump supporter who donated $300,000 to the president’s inauguration. In it, Mr. Murray, the head of Murray Energy, presented Mr. Trump with a wish list of environmental rollbacks just weeks after the inauguration.

Nearly a year later, the White House and federal agencies have completed or are on track to fulfill most of the 14 detailed requests, even with Monday’s decision by federal regulators to reject a proposal by Energy Secretary Rick Perry to subsidize struggling coal and nuclear plants.

The March 1 memo, which was obtained by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island and shared with The New York Times, is addressed to Vice President Mike Pence. The sweeping wish list of regulatory overhauls includes ending regulations on greenhouse gas emissions and ozone and mine safety, as well as cutting the staff of the Environmental Protection Agency “at least in half” and overhauling the Labor Department’s office of mine safety.

The Trump administration has had an unusually close relationship with Mr. Murray. He and 10 of his miners were invited to watch the president sign an executive order to rollback President Obama’s climate change regulations. He has met with Mr. Perry to discuss the needs of coal producers. His longtime attorney, Andrew Wheeler, is awaiting Senate confirmation to the No. 2 slot at the E.P.A., and David Zatezalo, the nation’s new top mine safety and health regulator and previously the president of a coal mining company, told his hometown paper that Mr. Murray had encouraged him to put his hat in the ring for the job.

Jeffrey Holmstead, a lawyer with the firm Bracewell and a deputy administrator of the E.P.A. in the George W. Bush administration, called Mr. Murray’s action plan “an ambitious list.” While interest groups always try to influence policy in a new administration, Mr. Holmstead said Mr. Murray’s status with the administration set him apart.

a NY Times writeup on this guy and his list
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jan 13, 2018 13:06:11

Monkeyboy wrote:Yes, and I will. I think I'll register at my in-law's place because I get my official mail there.

I hope they live in a swing district. If not, have them move.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 14:05:16

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Monkeyboy wrote:Yes, and I will. I think I'll register at my in-law's place because I get my official mail there.

I hope they live in a swing district. If not, have them move.


Gibsonia, PA. Not sure if that's a swing district or not. It's north of pittsburgh, so it's possible.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 13, 2018 14:08:17

That would be either PA 03 or 12. Both have Rs
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