Whaddya goin' do with these kids these days? (parenting)

by **The Dude** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:29:44

my 6 year old daughter asked for a kayak for xmas. eff ya

by **PhillieMooDo** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 16:06:42

2 year old has figured out how to vault out of her crib.

Crib tent or drop the mattress to floor level? We need sleep!

by **joboggi** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 18:08:54

Skinner box

Seriously time for a small bed

Otoh skinner's child grew up to be well adjusted.

The crib tent is a version of a Skinner box. That is what made me think of it.

I suspect the tent will get trashed with this one.

by **smitty** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 20:49:13

PhillieMooDo wrote:2 year old has figured out how to vault out of her crib.

Crib tent or drop the mattress to floor level? We need sleep!

Get a crib lid from crib lid.com. Excellent product.

Bungee cord is another option.

by **TenuredVulture** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:26:26

PhillieMooDo wrote:2 year old has figured out how to vault out of her crib.

Crib tent or drop the mattress to floor level? We need sleep!

We went through this. We dropped the mattress. It didn't really work very well as we were still trying the whole "they can cry themselves to sleep" which didn't work so well when she was doing it at the bedroom door. (True story--she actually did fall asleep on the floor by the door, until we opened the door (which opened inwardly) and woke her up to start the whole process over again.

All I can say is that bed time issues were only a struggle for three or four years after that.

by **The Savior** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 00:16:07

PhillieMooDo wrote:2 year old has figured out how to vault out of her crib.

Crib tent or drop the mattress to floor level? We need sleep!

We spent a month slowly building up the excitement of a bed for my near 3 yo. He was so excited the first night we let him sleep in it and has only gotten out 1x since thanksgiving (small sample size). Added benefit of being far easier to lay there with him until he falls asleep (I, too, have passed out a few times).

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:40:18

Did the Santa Express ride at the Strasburg Railroad this weekend with the eldest, which although it's a little pricey I would highly recommend. Plus it's right by the outlets and Lancaster Brewing.

by **Rev_Beezer** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 18:57:02

I ran to buy a crib lid. Sad, Smitty got me. I was going to get one for Timmy. But it probably wouldn't work, nothing can contain this kid.

by **joboggi** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 19:13:12

Crib lid = Skinner box

by **Monkeyboy** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 14:52:24

So my daughter went to a birthday party at a trampoline and climbing wall park and she did really well with the wall, being the only kid to make it up the wall and it's her first time. That's the good part.

Unfortunately, she came home with a sore back. She's 7 y.o. I figured she pulled her back struggling up the wall and didn't worry much about it. She said it was sore for a few days, then it seemed to get better before she aggravated it the other day reaching down to pick something up off the floor. We took her to doctor today for her vaccines and they did a normal check-up. We didn't even mention the back thing because she hasn't said anything about it, but then the doctor noticed her spine is crooked. They did an X-ray and her spine is curved at an 11 degree angle and her one shoulder is lower than the other when she's just standing. They also noted that she's very flatfooted, which I thought was weird because she has fairly high arches and none of her previous doctors have noted it. They diagnosed scoliosis, but we're going to get a 2nd opinion. We told the doctor about her coming home sore from the climbing wall, but they put that in the box of things that could be caused by the scoliosis. Maybe this is correct, but I wonder if she hurt her back climbing and that a muscle spasm is causing the curve in her spine. My brother has back spasms and his spine was all over the place, as did my wife. We never noticed our daughter standing strange and she is standing quite strangely. Hard to believe we would miss that, so it's almost hard to believe she has scoliosis that would cause such obvious symptoms without us noticing.

I don't know which is worse for a 7 year old, scoliosis or an injured back, so I don't know what to hope for. Then I went on the internet to find causes and treatments for the scoliosis and scared myself to death because Muscular dystrophy is one of the causes and it made me think about her flatfootedness and how muscle weakness is the first symptom of MD. So now I'm freaked out.

by **swishnicholson** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 18:35:43

Monkeyboy wrote:So my daughter went to a birthday party at a trampoline and climbing wall park and she did really well with the wall, being the only kid to make it up the wall and it's her first time. That's the good part.

Unfortunately, she came home with a sore back. She's 7 y.o. I figured she pulled her back struggling up the wall and didn't worry much about it. She said it was sore for a few days, then it seemed to get better before she aggravated it the other day reaching down to pick something up off the floor. We took her to doctor today for her vaccines and they did a normal check-up. We didn't even mention the back thing because she hasn't said anything about it, but then the doctor noticed her spine is crooked. They did an X-ray and her spine is curved at an 11 degree angle and her one shoulder is lower than the other when she's just standing. They also noted that she's very flatfooted, which I thought was weird because she has fairly high arches and none of her previous doctors have noted it. They diagnosed scoliosis, but we're going to get a 2nd opinion. We told the doctor about her coming home sore from the climbing wall, but they put that in the box of things that could be caused by the scoliosis. Maybe this is correct, but I wonder if she hurt her back climbing and that a muscle spasm is causing the curve in her spine. My brother has back spasms and his spine was all over the place, as did my wife. We never noticed our daughter standing strange and she is standing quite strangely. Hard to believe we would miss that, so it's almost hard to believe she has scoliosis that would cause such obvious symptoms without us noticing.

I don't know which is worse for a 7 year old, scoliosis or an injured back, so I don't know what to hope for. Then I went on the internet to find causes and treatments for the scoliosis and scared myself to death because Muscular dystrophy is one of the causes and it made me think about her flatfootedness and how muscle weakness is the first symptom of MD. So now I'm freaked out.

Sorry to hear Monkeyboy. In the useless words department, try to not to worry but still do everything you need to get a satisfactory answer. Parents make terrible doctors (even when they're doctors) but great advocates.

by **MrsVox** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 20:14:03

Monkeyboy wrote:So my daughter went to a birthday party at a trampoline and climbing wall park and she did really well with the wall, being the only kid to make it up the wall and it's her first time. That's the good part.

Unfortunately, she came home with a sore back. She's 7 y.o. I figured she pulled her back struggling up the wall and didn't worry much about it. She said it was sore for a few days, then it seemed to get better before she aggravated it the other day reaching down to pick something up off the floor. We took her to doctor today for her vaccines and they did a normal check-up. We didn't even mention the back thing because she hasn't said anything about it, but then the doctor noticed her spine is crooked. They did an X-ray and her spine is curved at an 11 degree angle and her one shoulder is lower than the other when she's just standing. They also noted that she's very flatfooted, which I thought was weird because she has fairly high arches and none of her previous doctors have noted it. They diagnosed scoliosis, but we're going to get a 2nd opinion. We told the doctor about her coming home sore from the climbing wall, but they put that in the box of things that could be caused by the scoliosis. Maybe this is correct, but I wonder if she hurt her back climbing and that a muscle spasm is causing the curve in her spine. My brother has back spasms and his spine was all over the place, as did my wife. We never noticed our daughter standing strange and she is standing quite strangely. Hard to believe we would miss that, so it's almost hard to believe she has scoliosis that would cause such obvious symptoms without us noticing.

I don't know which is worse for a 7 year old, scoliosis or an injured back, so I don't know what to hope for. Then I went on the internet to find causes and treatments for the scoliosis and scared myself to death because Muscular dystrophy is one of the causes and it made me think about her flatfootedness and how muscle weakness is the first symptom of MD. So now I'm freaked out.

We're going through something very similar to this with the middle - the pediatrician noticed one shoulder lower than the other at his checkup. This was about 2 months after the school check which although not a doctor, didn't find anything. So the pediatrician measured it at around 11 percent. Drove myself crazy reading up on it in the meantime. Pediatrician also had us get an x-ray, which is important and the "true" way to measure the percent of curvature. So, fast forward, and we saw a scoliosis specialist at CHOP, who measured the curve from the x-ray at around 15 percent. This is our starting point, and he'll get checked every 6 months for changes. Only if it gets worse over short periods of time will they need to treat it. And with regard to it being related to the muscle spasm, in your daughter's case, it's probably not likely. I wondered if fencing, being a sport that focuses on one side of the body, was the cause, and the doc at CHOP said it's not likely.

Sorry I'm not remembering more of this, I'm just getting over a cold and fuzzy headed. I know that once we saw the doctor at CHOP, I was definitely relieved of most of my concerns at the time.

by **Monkeyboy** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 02:30:49

MrsVox wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:So my daughter went to a birthday party at a trampoline and climbing wall park and she did really well with the wall, being the only kid to make it up the wall and it's her first time. That's the good part.

Unfortunately, she came home with a sore back. She's 7 y.o. I figured she pulled her back struggling up the wall and didn't worry much about it. She said it was sore for a few days, then it seemed to get better before she aggravated it the other day reaching down to pick something up off the floor. We took her to doctor today for her vaccines and they did a normal check-up. We didn't even mention the back thing because she hasn't said anything about it, but then the doctor noticed her spine is crooked. They did an X-ray and her spine is curved at an 11 degree angle and her one shoulder is lower than the other when she's just standing. They also noted that she's very flatfooted, which I thought was weird because she has fairly high arches and none of her previous doctors have noted it. They diagnosed scoliosis, but we're going to get a 2nd opinion. We told the doctor about her coming home sore from the climbing wall, but they put that in the box of things that could be caused by the scoliosis. Maybe this is correct, but I wonder if she hurt her back climbing and that a muscle spasm is causing the curve in her spine. My brother has back spasms and his spine was all over the place, as did my wife. We never noticed our daughter standing strange and she is standing quite strangely. Hard to believe we would miss that, so it's almost hard to believe she has scoliosis that would cause such obvious symptoms without us noticing.

I don't know which is worse for a 7 year old, scoliosis or an injured back, so I don't know what to hope for. Then I went on the internet to find causes and treatments for the scoliosis and scared myself to death because Muscular dystrophy is one of the causes and it made me think about her flatfootedness and how muscle weakness is the first symptom of MD. So now I'm freaked out.

We're going through something very similar to this with the middle - the pediatrician noticed one shoulder lower than the other at his checkup. This was about 2 months after the school check which although not a doctor, didn't find anything. So the pediatrician measured it at around 11 percent. Drove myself crazy reading up on it in the meantime. Pediatrician also had us get an x-ray, which is important and the "true" way to measure the percent of curvature. So, fast forward, and we saw a scoliosis specialist at CHOP, who measured the curve from the x-ray at around 15 percent. This is our starting point, and he'll get checked every 6 months for changes. Only if it gets worse over short periods of time will they need to treat it. And with regard to it being related to the muscle spasm, in your daughter's case, it's probably not likely. I wondered if fencing, being a sport that focuses on one side of the body, was the cause, and the doc at CHOP said it's not likely.

Sorry I'm not remembering more of this, I'm just getting over a cold and fuzzy headed. I know that once we saw the doctor at CHOP, I was definitely relieved of most of my concerns at the time.

Thanks for the info. Hope everything turns out ok for you guys. It's such a scary thing and difficult to look at. My daughter was actually measured at 13.5 degrees (my wife said 11, but the paper says 13.5), but she is only 7 y.o.. Outcomes also tend to be worse for girls, but I'm hoping it doesn't get worse. Doing some quick figuring based on her age, gender, and degree of curve, it looks like she's about a 70% chance to need a brace at some point and maybe around 40% to need surgery. That's an estimate, of course. I think you're probably right about the muscle spasms. It's more likely that she got hurt because of the scoliosis than the other way around. We made an appointment at another doctor later in the week and we'll see a specialist when we come back to the states. We have great insurance here, except if we go to the states (no coverage) because the US is soooooo expensive and most international schools won't cover anything there except for emergencies. If she needs more extended care, we may go to Thailand or Korea for a specialist, which would be pretty crazy.

by **Monkeyboy** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 02:32:40

swishnicholson wrote:Sorry to hear Monkeyboy. In the useless words department, try to not to worry but still do everything you need to get a satisfactory answer. Parents make terrible doctors (even when they're doctors) but great advocates.

Thanks. Yeh, right now we're just trying to get the best advice possible. And we're hoping against hope that it's just back spasms.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 07:19:11

well got some good news about my daughter. We took her to another place today. We decided to not tell them about the other diagnosis and just tell them that her back has been hurting since using a climbing wall. Two different doctors looked at her back and said they didn't see a problem. They even did the thing where she leans over and took a look at her back. There didn't appear to be a curve or anything. They didn't do an x-ray though and instead prescribed a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory thing. I think it's basically tylenol in a patch form. The other place said she should come back in a year for another x-ray, but we'll take her back there in 4 months and get another x-ray to see if the curve is still there. She's not standing weird anymore, so I think it was just a muscle injury. Fingers still crossed, but this is very good news. It matches with the fact that we've never noticed any crookedness to her gait or shoulders.

exhale.

by **Phred** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 09:53:16

Nice! whew...that's got to be a load off!

by **lethal** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 15:23:56

Phred wrote:
1 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/mom-accuses-southwest-airlines-employee-publicly-mocking-5-year-olds-name-131855912.html

The airline employee was definitely in the wrong. You shouldn't mock peoples' names. It is not the person's fault what their name is.

However, when you name your kid what they named their kid, then you have to expect your kid to have their name mocked.

They weren't making fun of the kid, they were making fun of the parents for being assholes and setting their kid up for a lifetime (or at least 18 years) of mockage. After the kid turns 18, if they don't legally change their name, then they are fair game.

I wonder whatever happened to that kid named ESPN.

by **Monkeyboy** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 00:44:28

Phred wrote:Nice! whew...that's got to be a load off!

Yeh, but I kinda expected it for some reason. I just found it hard to believe we hadn't noticed anything so severe.

My grandmother had a very bad back and literally had something like 15 operations over the years. So I'm still not happy about the situation, but at least now we can focus on increasing strength and flexibility instead of something more stressful.

Hoping the Voxs also get good news when they go back to the doctor's.

by **swishnicholson** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 00:54:13

Monkeyboy wrote:
Phred wrote:Nice! whew...that's got to be a load off!

Yeh, but I kinda expected it for some reason. I just found it hard to believe we hadn't noticed anything so severe.

My grandmother had a very bad back and literally had something like 15 operations over the years. So I'm still not happy about the situation, but at least now we can focus on increasing strength and flexibility instead of something more stressful.

Hoping the Voxs also get good news when they go back to the doctor's.

great news, monkeyboy. and yes, best wishes to the Voxes.

by **swishnicholson** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 00:58:42

Slowhand wrote:Obviously ABC 7 would be sympathetic to this story.

"So she took her complaint to ABC7. In a video interview, she recounted the incident. Since then, Southwest Airlines has issued a public apology to Redford and her daughter."

Oddly "ABC7" is what they were going to name their child had she been a boy.

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