Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not #$!&@ rocket science.

I guess they took massive losses in state legislatures, governor races, the House and Senate in the last 8 years because people didn't like Hillary Clinton.

I can't help you people anymore. I've tried. You can follow the likes of pacino into political abyss. Maybe after another round of losses in 2018 you'll start to get it.

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not #$!&@ rocket science.

I guess they took massive losses in state legislatures, governor races, the House and Senate in the last 8 years because people didn't like Hillary Clinton.

I can't help you people anymore. I've tried. You can follow the likes of pacino into political abyss. Maybe after another round of losses in 2018 you'll start to get it.

Warszawa wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not #$!&@ rocket science.

I guess they took massive losses in state legislatures, governor races, the House and Senate in the last 8 years because people didn't like Hillary Clinton.

I can't help you people anymore. I've tried. You can follow the likes of pacino into political abyss. Maybe after another round of losses in 2018 you'll start to get it.

Even with what states the senate seats are up in, if the Dems can't get a majority in 2018 then they might as well give up.

Oh, and I hope Hillary is not thinking of running in 2020

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not #$!&@ rocket science.

I guess they took massive losses in state legislatures, governor races, the House and Senate in the last 8 years because people didn't like Hillary Clinton.

Swanning through the club's living room and main dining area alongside Abe, Trump was -- as is now typical -- swarmed with paying members, who now view dinner at the club as an opportunity for a few seconds of face time with the new President.

But as he sat down for the planned working dinner with Abe, whose country is well within range of North Korea's missiles, it was clear his counterpart felt it necessary to respond to the test. The launch occurred just before 8 a.m. on Sunday morning in Japan.

Trump's National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and chief strategist Steve Bannon left their seats to huddle closer to Trump as documents were produced and phone calls were placed to officials in Washington and Tokyo.

The patio was lit only with candles and moonlight, so aides used the camera lights on their phones to help the stone-faced Trump and Abe read through the documents.

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But even as he confronted one of the gravest matters of his office, Trump nonetheless found it impossible to resist dropping in on a nearby wedding reception, already underway in his treasured Grand Ballroom. Trump designed and built the space himself after purchasing Mar-a-Lago in the 1980s.

Entering the ornate room, Trump took a photo with the bride and her bridesmaids, who posed in red gowns next to the commander in chief, mimicking his signature thumbs-up.

Then he grabbed a microphone.

"I saw them out on the lawn today," Trump said of the bride and groom, who were standing nearby. "I said to the Prime Minister of Japan, I said, 'C'mon Shinzo, let's go over and say hello.' "

"They've been members of this club for a long time," Trump said of the newlyweds. "They've paid me a fortune."

traderdave wrote:WH Sr. Policy Adviser Stephen Miller: "The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned".

I'm afraid to ask "or what".

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

traderdave wrote:WH Sr. Policy Adviser Stephen Miller: "The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned".

I'm afraid to ask "or what".

I didn't see any of the Sunday shows yesterday. That sequence of clips that Morning Joe aired (currently being shared on my FB feed) is legit terrifying.

He's arguing that Judicial Review (he calls it Judicial Supremacy) does not exist.

You know that Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are watching, going "damn, even we didn't think about going that far."

thephan wrote:Hillary planning to run again... or so Politico is forecasting

I hope she understands that if she even gets into the race that she does not survive the primary process at this late date.

Youseff wrote:she needs to fuck off. go get a TV show and repent for your sins, you Donald Trump enabling monster.