pacino wrote:'white working class' is an identity as much as any other and you're playing identity politics if you try to grab it

Brantt wrote:

pacino wrote:'white working class' is an identity as much as any other and you're playing identity politics if you try to grab it

LOL.

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Brantt wrote:

pacino wrote:'white working class' is an identity as much as any other and you're playing identity politics if you try to grab it

LOL.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not fucking rocket science.

JUburton wrote:

Brantt wrote:

pacino wrote:'white working class' is an identity as much as any other and you're playing identity politics if you try to grab it

LOL.

LMAO

Youseff wrote:are we sure Brantt is a real person? he reaches a point where he can't copy & paste so he just resorts to a

you could probably write a script that just copies and pastes Mike Cernovich tweets, posts them here, and then responds LMAO or when the post has been responded to.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The irrelevant Jim Webb was on MTP and basically implied he is no longer a D and may have voted for Trump.

I thought this was a great interview. Democrats would be wise to pay attention.

Why? It's not as if Jim Webb ever saw eye to eye with the Democrats on social or economic issues. He was only ever marginally a Democrat and mostly got attention from progressives for his opposition to the Iraq War and call for prison reform. He never even makes it to DC if George Allen doesn't refer to a brown kid as "macaca."

He has reasonable ideas on multiculturalism and moving away from outdated notions of racial divides in our country, but he is throwing his hat in with a group of people who believe in the antithesis of that simply because they also want to eliminate affirmative action programs... for an entirely different--and far less altruistic--reason.

So no, that's not a lesson that the Democrats should be learning from.

The interview had nothing to do with Webb's views or positions. More a general discussion on the Democratic Party punting with the white, working class and moving towards constant identity politics.

Yet I've read articles from Webb talking about how the "white working class" isn't a monolith, blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, the Democrats got beat badly because people didn't like Hillary Clinton and her campaign exacerbated her weaknesses in certain vulnerable states by not even showing up there. It's not #$!&@ rocket science.