Halladay XII: Now with Roy Halladay!

by **slamjim** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:42:08

Wait, Lee and Blanton would be nearly the same price this season. Both would be free agents. If we needed the money and we are trading our own prospects to Toronto why didn't we just trade off Blanton to anyone at all to get rid of the salary and keep Lee. He leaves, we get 2 draft picks and have $9 a year to spend on another free agent pitcher. And damn why couldn't it have been J.A. instead of Kyle?

So does this mean we are signing Blanton to a long term deal? If not, WTF?
Halladay/ Hamels/ Happ / ????? after next season.

And I agree with whomever said this is all Amaro's fault for that crappy Moyer deal. No Moyer deal = Lee/ Halladay for a season.

This trade SUCKS no matter how it's sliced now.

by **lowcountry** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:42:26

Look, the Lee for Seattle prospects that we keep MAKES NO SENSE. Thus, I'm going to refuse to believe it.

I mean, seriously. You could throw darts and make a better deal. Seattle would be embarrassed to even offer it.

So I'll believe it after it happens. Check that, a day after it happens. Because if it happens, I'll just assume it's the alcohol and it'll all be better the next day.

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:42:26

Trent Steele wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:I hate the fact that what should be such a happy moment has turned into crap

Hey, why not wait until you find out the details before you go whining about everything?

Know what I mean?

i was referring to all the whining

I see. Well that's significantly less hypocritical. TBF, I was making a bad joke about Amaro, though I do think he's very overrated on this board.

I think we were all impressed with the Lee trade. If this goes down the way it is being reported, he is dead to me

I loved the Lee trade, too. But other than that, I think he's been kinda poor/below average.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:42:59

mcare89 wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Zolecki tweet

Sources say only Phillies would receive Seattle prospects for Lee. None
would be shipped to Toronto. Kyle Drabek is involved.

In that case, it makes no sense to make this a three-team deal.

Shop Lee on the open market for the best deal, namely the Rangers.

Or you can not trade Lee at all.

Right. I'm just assuming they're set on getting some value for Lee.

If we're just dumping salary, trade Blanton, anything's better than nothing, and somebody would take Blanton at his price after looking at some of these free agent deals (like Brad Penny, for example).

Which is why "salary dumping" Cliff Lee is absurd. Making it even worse is you are still trading Drabek?

by **CalvinBall** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:44:10

We are getting a starbucks franchise to be located in asburn alley per martino.

by **joe table** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:44:17

I would tend to trust Zolecki, if he is saying just SEA prospects to us, then I am assuming we are paying out the a** to TOR for cash and trying to rationalize it/clear the rest of the cash by getting prospects back for Lee

by **uncle milt** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:45:28

jerseyhoya wrote:
uncle milt wrote:anyone that says they can't watch jersey shore because they hate idiocy but reads this thread is a liar

I know you hate me, but would you be offended if I used this as my signature?

i don't hate you, silly. not at all.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:45:40

I got home from the Sixers game and just read every page I missed (from 37) of the previous Halladay thread and every page of this one.

And I know nothing that I didn't know when I walked through the door.

Thanks a lot, sports "journalists." <- I mean the mainstream media, not you guys.

by **TomatoPie** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:45:58

Rube put us in 2 World Series.

He knows what he is doing.

Trust the Rube.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:46:06

joe table wrote:I would tend to trust Zolecki, if he is saying just SEA prospects to us, then I am assuming we are paying out the a** to TOR and trying to rationalize it by getting prospects back for Lee

Fine, if Amaro wanted Halladay that much, he should have gotten him, extended him, been done with it. This brings us to the financial aspect. Ownership couldn't go over budget for this one season, knowing that Lee would be gone next year? Or Amaro couldn't just trade Blanton, i'm sure some team would have liked him. Salary dumping Cliff Lee is about as dumb as a move as you can make.

by **SideshowBob** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:46:16

lowcountry wrote:Look, the Lee for Seattle prospects that we keep MAKES NO SENSE. Thus, I'm going to refuse to believe it.

Bingo. If we are trading Lee to Seattle and keeping the prospects, it would only be because we are getting stud prospects that we really want. Which probably means 3 players to replace whomever we send to Toronto for Roy.

We're not trading Lee in a salary dump for far less than we are giving to Toronto for Halladay. We can dump Blanton to accomplish that.

by **CalvinBall** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:47:29

not only for far less what we are giving up for halladay but far less what we gave up for lee in the first place.

there is no way this is true.

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:47:43

OK, I give up for now. I can't take it anymore. One minute I feel better, the next I feel like crap.

Zolecki tends to be right about Phils stuff, but it really doesn't make sense to trade Lee over Blanton. The difference is only 2 million, most of which could be saved by using cheap relievers for the back of the pen.

by **hoya** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:48:08

I'm sure we could get something for Blanton. Hell, even a straight salary dump would be better than the current rumor.

by **kimbatiste** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:48:20

ek wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
joe table wrote:I would tend to trust Zolecki, if he is saying just SEA prospects to us, then I am assuming we are paying out the a** to TOR and trying to rationalize it by getting prospects back for Lee

Fine, if Amaro wanted Halladay that much, he should have gotten him, extended him, been done with it. This brings us to the financial aspect. Ownership couldn't go over budget for this one season, knowing that Lee would be gone next year? Or Amaro couldn't just trade Blanton, i'm sure some team would have liked him. Salary dumping Cliff Lee is about as dumb as a move as you can make.

stark said they couldn't get anything for him

So get nothing for him. Who cares. If we can't find someone to take Ibanez is the answer to trade Utley?

by **SideshowBob** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:49:23

ek wrote:stark said they couldn't get anything for him

Define "anything". I find it hard to believe that some team out there wouldn't value a league average starter who eats innings (literally) and only costs $7M or so.

Maybe we couldn't get any good prospects for him, but who cares if your goal is simply to dump salary?

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:49:50

ek wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
joe table wrote:I would tend to trust Zolecki, if he is saying just SEA prospects to us, then I am assuming we are paying out the a** to TOR and trying to rationalize it by getting prospects back for Lee

Fine, if Amaro wanted Halladay that much, he should have gotten him, extended him, been done with it. This brings us to the financial aspect. Ownership couldn't go over budget for this one season, knowing that Lee would be gone next year? Or Amaro couldn't just trade Blanton, i'm sure some team would have liked him. Salary dumping Cliff Lee is about as dumb as a move as you can make.

stark said they couldn't get anything for him

That sounds like bull$#@!.

Whatever. Never thought that giving Moyer a 2nd year would crush the Phils this much.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:49:56

hoya wrote:I'm sure we could get something for Blanton. Hell, even a straight salary dump would be better than the current rumor.

Someone would take him for a non prospect at the very least. One of these teams that need a 4th or 5th starter, and are looking at the Jason Marquis of the world wanting real money in a multi year deal would be happy to take someone like Blanton at a reasonable cost for one year.

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:50:24

Soul crushing.

70M payroll in 2011

55 win team

by **joe table** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 23:50:39

Monkeyboy wrote:OK, I give up for now. I can't take it anymore. One minute I feel better, the next I feel like crap.

Zolecki tends to be right about Phils stuff, but it really doesn't make sense to trade Lee over Blanton. The difference is only 2 million, most of which could be saved by using cheap relievers for the back of the pen.

It could make sense with the idea of Amaro attempting to restock the farm system after paying way up (with what other bidders for Roy, really) in prospects to get Halladay. It would be that he's almost guilty about what he gave up for Roy and have to get Aumont, Gilles and another guy back in the Lee deal while clearing money, vs just selling Blanton

Not that I agree with this logic, just a possible explanation

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