It will be numerologically fitting if all of this bidness is resolved come Halladay chapter XIII

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talked to a member of the Phillies org. who doesn't understand the trade - said Taylor is mlb ready right now

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bleh wrote:Could everyone stop talking about last years trade? We all know we robbed Cleveland. It's irrelevant to this trade now. You might as well talk about how it's Christmas and the sun is shining so we should all just be happy.

No it ain't.

Here's what offends me, after deliberating over it this morning:

What is driving this deal is the Phillies' inability to extend Lee. If they could extend Lee, they would, and be done with it.

Now, last July, the process of trying to get Halladay, which eventually resulted in the Phillies getting Lee, took, if I remember correctly, about 3,476 years. Or something close to that. It was excruciating, and did go on every day for like a month.

Now, with all that time, the Phillies should have been able to figure out that their chances of extending Halladay were much, much better than extending Lee. Considering where we are today, that was obviously the case five months ago, just as it is today.

So, EITHER it never occurred to the Phillies to think about the relative likelihood of extending Halladay or Lee, and for that reason they never figured that into their calculations about the cost of acquiring either pitcher, OR it did occur to them, found out Lee wanted to test free agency, but Amaro in his smugness believed that spending three months with the Phillies would change his mind about wanting $100 million dollars or more.

Frankly, I'm not sure which of those two possibilities offends me more.

Either way, they got it wrong, and so now Halladay has essentially cost them Carrasco, Donald, Marson, Knapp, Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud (TWO FUCK-ING CATCHERS in a catcher-depleted world!!!!), minus whatever Gillies, Aumont, and Ramirez detracts from that price (by most accounts, Taylor>Gillies, Drabek>>Aumont, Ramirez>>Knapp).

Amaro got it handed to him. In a big way. Because he didn't do his due diligence regarding whether or not he could extend Lee, or he did do it, but didn't care. When he realized he wouldn't be able to extend Lee, he essentially panicked, caved entirely to Toronto, throwing "good" money - Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud - after "bad" (i.e., spent on a dying asset) - Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp.

Terrible job. I really don't think there's another way to look at it without deluding oneself.

mozartpc27 wrote:Amaro got it handed to him. In a big way. Because he didn't do his due diligence regarding whether or not he could extend Lee, or he did do it, but didn't care. When he realized he wouldn't be able to extend Lee, he essentially panicked, caved entirely to Toronto, throwing "good" money - Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud - after "bad" (i.e., spent on a dying asset) - Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp.

Terrible job. I really don't think there's another way to look at it without deluding oneself.

If by due diligence, you mean tampering.

PSUsarge wrote:

talked to a member of the Phillies org. who doesn't understand the trade - said Taylor is mlb ready right now

Umm....

Halladay XIII: What Is and What Should Never Be

Werthless wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Amaro got it handed to him. In a big way. Because he didn't do his due diligence regarding whether or not he could extend Lee, or he did do it, but didn't care. When he realized he wouldn't be able to extend Lee, he essentially panicked, caved entirely to Toronto, throwing "good" money - Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud - after "bad" (i.e., spent on a dying asset) - Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp.

Terrible job. I really don't think there's another way to look at it without deluding oneself.

If by due diligence, you mean tampering.

You're telling me that there was no way the Phillies could find out if Lee was hell-bent on testing the FA market or not without getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar? That they respect the rules too much? That they don't have anybody who can do a little undercover work? I don't believe the Phillies are that honest, or that friendless.

mozartpc27 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Amaro got it handed to him. In a big way. Because he didn't do his due diligence regarding whether or not he could extend Lee, or he did do it, but didn't care. When he realized he wouldn't be able to extend Lee, he essentially panicked, caved entirely to Toronto, throwing "good" money - Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud - after "bad" (i.e., spent on a dying asset) - Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp.

Terrible job. I really don't think there's another way to look at it without deluding oneself.

If by due diligence, you mean tampering.

You're telling me that there was no way the Phillies could find out if Lee was hell-bent on testing the FA market or not without getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar? That they respect the rules too much? That they don't have anybody who can do a little undercover work? I don't believe the Phillies are that honest, or that friendless.

What's the difference? He gave us a pennant and what we're getting back from his is comparable to, or better, than what we gave for him.

mozartpc27 wrote:

bleh wrote:Could everyone stop talking about last years trade? We all know we robbed Cleveland. It's irrelevant to this trade now. You might as well talk about how it's Christmas and the sun is shining so we should all just be happy.

No it ain't.

Here's what offends me, after deliberating over it this morning:

What is driving this deal is the Phillies' inability to extend Lee. If they could extend Lee, they would, and be done with it.

Now, last July, the process of trying to get Halladay, which eventually resulted in the Phillies getting Lee, took, if I remember correctly, about 3,476 years. Or something close to that. It was excruciating, and did go on every day for like a month.

Now, with all that time, the Phillies should have been able to figure out that their chances of extending Halladay were much, much better than extending Lee. Considering where we are today, that was obviously the case five months ago, just as it is today.

So, EITHER it never occurred to the Phillies to think about the relative likelihood of extending Halladay or Lee, and for that reason they never figured that into their calculations about the cost of acquiring either pitcher, OR it did occur to them, found out Lee wanted to test free agency, but Amaro in his smugness believed that spending three months with the Phillies would change his mind about wanting $100 million dollars or more.

Frankly, I'm not sure which of those two possibilities offends me more.

Either way, they got it wrong, and so now Halladay has essentially cost them Carrasco, Donald, Marson, Knapp, Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud (TWO $#@!-ING CATCHERS in a catcher-depleted world!!!!), minus whatever Gillies, Aumont, and Ramirez detracts from that price (by most accounts, Taylor>Gillies, Drabek>>Aumont, Ramirez>>Knapp).

Amaro got it handed to him. In a big way. Because he didn't do his due diligence regarding whether or not he could extend Lee, or he did do it, but didn't care. When he realized he wouldn't be able to extend Lee, he essentially panicked, caved entirely to Toronto, throwing "good" money - Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud - after "bad" (i.e., spent on a dying asset) - Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp.

Terrible job. I really don't think there's another way to look at it without deluding oneself.

He got Lee for 2 years at a cheap salary for less-than-great prospects. It was a great deal. It's completely irrelevant if they could re-sign Lee or could get Halladay. He got the team to the World Series almost single handedly and won 2 WS games. Even if Lee told Amaro beforehand he would only sign on the west coast for $50 million per year it was still a great trade. The Phils got to the WS twice without Halladay, it's not going to kill their franchise to not get him. They could upgrade in other areas with the $20 million and prospects. If you really think the trade last year was bad then you're like the only one on planet earth who thinks that.

stop posting in this thread dopes.