So that deal was offered an hour ago and nothing happened? Seems like they would jump at it

I don't understand why the Sox would offer a dude with a sub-1 WHIP who is at AAA to anyone for any reason. He'll make <$1,000,000 for the next two years, and <$10,000,000 per in all probability for three to four years.

There are very few people I would say this about, but I don't think Halladay is WORTH what Buccholz offers the Sox, let alone Buccholz and others. This has to be BS.

Right?

Just have to add another...

The Dude wrote:So that deal was offered an hour ago and nothing happened? Seems like they would jump at it

it would take more than an hour to iron out the details. sox would probably try to get a couple of b-level prospects back.

phorever wrote:

The Dude wrote:So that deal was offered an hour ago and nothing happened? Seems like they would jump at it

it would take more than an hour to iron out the details. sox would probably try to get a couple of b-level prospects back.

Yeah, but usually there's an announcement about the details being worked out. So far this is the only report, and it's an hour old

mozartpc27 wrote:I don't understand why the Sox would offer a dude with a sub-1 WHIP who is at AAA to anyone for any reason. He'll make <$1,000,000 for the next two years, and <$10,000,000 per in all probability for three to four years.

There are very few people I would say this about, but I don't think Halladay is WORTH what Buccholz offers the Sox, let alone Buccholz and others. This has to be BS.

Right?

But the Sox dont really care how much Buchholz is going to make next year. They care about winning this year. They'll outspend everyone in the draft and sign a bunch of their overslot guys and just replenish what they lose in a trade.

mozartpc27 wrote:I don't understand why the Sox would offer a dude with a sub-1 WHIP who is at AAA to anyone for any reason. He'll make <$1,000,000 for the next two years, and <$10,000,000 per in all probability for three to four years.

There are very few people I would say this about, but I don't think Halladay is WORTH what Buccholz offers the Sox, let alone Buccholz and others. This has to be BS.

Right?

What makes it ridiculous is that they don't need to offer that much to get an ace pitcher for their WFC push. Any one of those players would probably be a great starting point for getting Lee. Both or all three would have Shapiro jumping through the phone to sign the papers and throw in Martinez.

If you want a conspiracy theory, the Red Sox also like Scutaro, so maybe Ricciardi has told them they he'd trade Scutaro in a lesser deal, not Halladay, and if they do want Scutaro then they have to help bump up the price on Halladay for other teams.

Gose has had an interesting year. For the first part of the season he wasn't getting on base at a great clip (OBP of .313 in first 66 games) but he was stealing nearly every time he got on base and doing it really well (44 SB/8 CS). He struck out a lot and didn't walk all that much.

Since the All Star break he has played in 29 games. He has hit .313 with an OBP of .394. He walks more and strikes out less. He has slowed down with the base stealing -- 12 steals and 6 CS.

Of course this is all small sample sizes and stuff. But for an 18 year old in the Sally League, he's pretty exciting. Isn't this also the guy who was also a pitching prospect?

He's a long, long way from the big leagues and a lot can happen with him. But there's a lot to like so far with this guy.

what I dont get why the Sox are throwing Smoltz out there instead of calling up Buchholz

FTN wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:I don't understand why the Sox would offer a dude with a sub-1 WHIP who is at AAA to anyone for any reason. He'll make <$1,000,000 for the next two years, and <$10,000,000 per in all probability for three to four years.

There are very few people I would say this about, but I don't think Halladay is WORTH what Buccholz offers the Sox, let alone Buccholz and others. This has to be BS.

Right?

But the Sox dont really care how much Buchholz is going to make next year. They care about winning this year. They'll outspend everyone in the draft and sign a bunch of their overslot guys and just replenish what they lose in a trade.

Wouldn't you agree though that Buchholz is so good, there's simply no way the Phillies can throw more bodies at the Jays that tops the deal?

The Red Tornado wrote:what I dont get why the Sox are throwing Smoltz out there instead of calling up Buchholz

Buchholz is in the majors now because Wakefield is on the DL.

Wouldn't you agree though that Buchholz is so good, there's simply no way the Phillies can throw more bodies at the Jays that tops the deal?

The Phillies have enough other parts to top the deal, but it will be more than Drabek, Brown and Happ, if the rumored Boston deal is true

I do find this latest unsubstantiated rumor a bit disheartening.

FTN wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:what I dont get why the Sox are throwing Smoltz out there instead of calling up Buchholz

Buchholz is in the majors now because Wakefield is on the DL.

well, there you go, problem solved

I wonder if Boston is on Halladay's "will-go-to" list. I just don't see that rumor as being true and if it is, so be it, at least he didn't go to the Dodgers or Cardinals.

Is anyone really surprised that Red Sox may have offered this? Its time for Rube to stop dicking around

Do we still have the rights to Bud Smith

well guys, it was fun while it lasted, and buddygroom missed all of it

The Red Tornado wrote:

FTN wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:what I dont get why the Sox are throwing Smoltz out there instead of calling up Buchholz

Buchholz is in the majors now because Wakefield is on the DL.

well, there you go, problem solved

Buccholz is the scheduled starter tonight for the Sawx.

FTN wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:what I dont get why the Sox are throwing Smoltz out there instead of calling up Buchholz

Buchholz is in the majors now because Wakefield is on the DL.

See, and this too: I don't see how moving Buccholz for Halladay helps them. I mean, is Halladay going to be better this year than Buccholz? Probably. But, since Buccholz is on the ML roster now, I would think he is very unlikely to return to AAA, even after Wakefield comes back (put Smoltz in the pen, DL him, or DFA him). How much better will Halladay be than Buccholz? Surely somewhat better, but better enough to justify the move? I would think this is a lot closer to a lateral move than people realize.

I am sort of thinking that if the Sox really want to trade Buccholz for Halladay, let the babies have their damn bottle. It won't help the back end of their rotation much, which they still need to beat out the Yanks/Rays for the WC/division, and, as Gammons wrote recently, what has really been tanking on them has been their offense of late. I don't know that this is a difference-making move for the Sox.