Halladay VII: Rock out with your Doc out

by **kenrosenthal** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:04:04

heyman has an update on si.com, but nothing is new

same crap over and over again

by **kopphanatic** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:04:38

So is Gordon Gekko wrong then?

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:04:40

kenrosenthal wrote:heyman has an update on si.com, but nothing is new

same crap over and over again

this trade just makes too much sense!

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:06:35

kopphanatic wrote:So is Gordon Gekko wrong then?

Whats weird is that Edes was a Boston beat guy for like 20 years. He's like the Boston version of Stark.

Who knows anymore. I don't think anyone does.

This whole thing is a ratings game too. Id bet the next piece of the fake puzzle is it being revealed that Boston is on Halladay's list of approved places he'd go.

by **kopphanatic** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:07:42

At this point, Doc's wish list probably includes any place not located in Canada

by **mcare89** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:11:06

kopphanatic wrote:At this point, Doc's wish list probably includes any place not located in Canada or Queens

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:11:25

S2D wrote:
FTN wrote:And really, I could definitely see this coming from Toronto's end, because...

Drabek and Buchholz are similar. Buchholz is a legit #1/2 SP, he's had some success in the big leagues, and has dominated at AAA this year. Like Drabek, he has a few red flags. He doesn't pitch effectively off his fastball and relies too heavily on his secondary pitches, and he was arrested for stealing computers from a school. Drabek is younger, but has an arm surgery on his docket and had maturity issues in high school, same as Buchholz.

Westmoreland is a lot like Brown. Hes a 5 tool athlete, hes got mega projection, etc etc.

Bowden and Happ are similar, both have deceptive deliveries, though I think Happ is actually a better bet going forward after seeing Bowden with my own eyes. His delivery is just whacked.

In a way, this makes perfect sense from Toronto's side to float this. The three pieces have similar profiles, almost scary how similar they are. So its like "Hey Philly, Boston is willing to give us a very similar package, what do you say?"

It certainly doesn't look like a deal with that "Premium" for AL East teams that Ricciardi was talking about. Heyman reported that douche bag asked the Yankees for both Hughes and Joba just to start the deal.

It's a premium over what the Phils offered because they wouldn't take the deal offered to them by JPR. That's why you don't dick around if there's an asset you want. Everybody assumed that, by waiting, Rube would get the price down. But, as I feared, the price can also go up if someone swoops in and agrees to pay the asking price and the closer you get to the deadline, the greater the chance it can happen.

by **The Dude** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:13:17

The price didn't go up yet, this is likely posturing

by **Mike in Midlothian** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:13:26

bleh wrote:
stevemc wrote:as an aside - the last Halladay thread closed out at 50 pages in 42 hours. I'd give this one 34 hours. So my guess is about 11PM tomorrow night.

time to start discussing what to name the next one

Halladay: Eight is Enoughz

by **BIGPHILLY** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:14:20

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... index.html

* States that Toronto ownership needs to cut costs.

Here's a paradigm buster. Phillies are selling out every single night. Why not take on Halladay and give them the deal you want - but offer like $10,000,00 in cash kicked in as well.

So you could go:

Drabek, Taylor, Donald and $10,000,000 and call it a day.

You think in this economy taking Halladay's salary off the books and kicking in $10 million is not enticing?

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:14:22

So its basically safe to assume that nothing is going to happen tonight. Then the question becomes Halladay's start tomorrow.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:14:43

The Dude wrote:The price didn't go up yet, this is likely posturing

Unless it's not.

by **SideshowBob** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:15:00

JFLNYC wrote:It's a premium over what the Phils offered because they wouldn't take the deal offered to them by JPR. That's why you don't dick around if there's an asset you want. Everybody assumed that, by waiting, Rube would get the price down. But, as I feared, the price can also go up if someone swoops in and agrees to pay the asking price and the closer you get to the deadline, the greater the chance it can happen.

That's assuming that the BoSox actually offered this, which likely is not the case. But the proof is in the pudding -- surely we'll have a impending announcement fo a deal being made if boston really bowled them over with such a deal.

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:15:01

BIGPHILLY wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/07/28/bluejays.finance.ap/index.html

* States that Toronto ownership needs to cut costs.

Here's a paradigm buster. Phillies are selling out every single night. Why not take on Halladay and give them the deal you want - but offer like $10,000,00 in cash kicked in as well.

So you could go:

Drabek, Taylor, Donald and $10,000,000 and call it a day.

You think in this economy taking Halladay's salary off the books and kicking in $10 million is not enticing?

You can't do that. Commish doesn't allow piles of cash to go to a team, any money sent has to coincide with paying for a newly acquired player's salary

by **The Dude** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:15:53

JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:The price didn't go up yet, this is likely posturing

Unless it's not.

Right, but you already seem resigned to the fact. I think it's extremely likely these are last ditch efforts by JPR, and that these are the rumors he leaked, unlike that retarded Mets story.

by **SideshowBob** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:16:34

JFLNYC wrote:Unless it's not.

Sure. And we don't know what the Jays have really demanded or what the Phillies have really offered. So, it's pretty pointless to get worked up about anything as though we know all the facts.

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:16:48

it would really be nice if the Sox came out and denied they are interested in Halladay, then Rube could make his deal today and Doc wouldn't have to worry about this stuff tomorrow

by **traderdave** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:16:59

Even if you could "trade" cash, I'm not giving them Drabek AND $10 million.

by **The Red Tornado** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:17:34

Mike in Midlothian wrote:
bleh wrote:
stevemc wrote:as an aside - the last Halladay thread closed out at 50 pages in 42 hours. I'd give this one 34 hours. So my guess is about 11PM tomorrow night.

time to start discussing what to name the next one

Halladay: Eight is Enoughz

nice 1st post

by **BIGPHILLY** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 16:17:56

FTN wrote:
BIGPHILLY wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/07/28/bluejays.finance.ap/index.html

* States that Toronto ownership needs to cut costs.

Here's a paradigm buster. Phillies are selling out every single night. Why not take on Halladay and give them the deal you want - but offer like $10,000,00 in cash kicked in as well.

So you could go:

Drabek, Taylor, Donald and $10,000,000 and call it a day.

You think in this economy taking Halladay's salary off the books and kicking in $10 million is not enticing?

You can't do that. Commish doesn't allow piles of cash to go to a team, any money sent has to coincide with paying for a newly acquired player's salary

* Selig sucks.

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