Werthless wrote:Blue Jays' first round picks under Ricciardi, for reference:

2002 Russ Adams 14
2003 Aaron Hill 13
2004 David Purcey 16
2004 Zach Jackson 32
2005 Ricky Romero 6
2006 Travis Snider 14
2007 Kevin Ahrens 16
2007 J.P. Arencibia 21
2008 David Cooper 17
2009 Chad Jenkins 20
2009 James Paxton 37

BIGPHILLY wrote:"--A baseball official confirmed to me a report that Tom Verducci has up on SI.com that there is a split in the Phillies' organization about how far to go to get Halladay: special advisor Pat Gillick and manager Charlie Manuel want to move heaven, earth and Kyle Drabek to get Halladay and make a strong run at another championship this year and next while first-year GM Ruben Amaro is offering more caution in protecting the prospect base. "

kenrosenthal wrote:--The Jays are emphasizing high ceilings and proximity to the major leagues over quantity in trades. But a scout who covers the Phillies organization said if Toronto is willing to take on some risk that at Low-A they have a 19-year-old starter from Brazil named Heitor Correa and an 18-year-old center fielder named Anthony Gose who have big-time potential.

"I know how far they are away," the scout said. "And I know how few guys make it. But you watch Correia and at 19 he is already throwing 90-94 mph with command and plus secondary pitches with his curve and changeup. And I know everyone loves (more advanced outfielders) Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown, and personally I think Taylor is not only a terrific prospect, but a great kid. But go watch Gose play. This kid plays center field more shallow than Andruw Jones and you can't get it over his head. And he has 56 steals. In five years, I don't think it is outrageous that we will look back and he will be the best prospect currently in the Phillies' orgnaization. He is a $#@! kid from California who can just fly."

kenrosenthal wrote:--A baseball official confirmed to me a report that Tom Verducci has up on SI.com that there is a split in the Phillies' organization about how far to go to get Halladay: special advisor Pat Gillick and manager Charlie Manuel want to move heaven, earth and Kyle Drabek to get Halladay and make a strong run at another championship this year and next while first-year GM Ruben Amaro is offering more caution in protecting the prospect base.

kenrosenthal wrote:And on the subject of the lefty dominance of the lineup, the Phillies are still trying to find a spare righty bat. The player they have had eyes for almost all years is Colorado's Ryan Spilborghs.

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SideshowBob wrote:

BIGPHILLY wrote:"--A baseball official confirmed to me a report that Tom Verducci has up on SI.com that there is a split in the Phillies' organization about how far to go to get Halladay: special advisor Pat Gillick and manager Charlie Manuel want to move heaven, earth and Kyle Drabek to get Halladay and make a strong run at another championship this year and next while first-year GM Ruben Amaro is offering more caution in protecting the prospect base. "

That's actually not a bad thing. It gives Amaro a fall back if he gives in to the Jays and the trade ends up looking bad -- I didn't want to do it, the other powers that be pushed for the trade.

And if the Phillies get bounced out of the postseason at any point short of the parade floats after not dealing for the pitcher the city decided it had to have, it won't be just their season that will be over.

Even worse, the yearlong love affair between town and team will be over

And the guy who will get blamed is the first-year GM who didn't make the Big Deal -- unless he can do some awfully convincing spin-doctoring.

"If this were Pat Gillick, he might be able to get away with this," one veteran baseball executive said. "Gillick has the stature. Gillick has the rings. So if he didn't get this done and then made some little deal instead, he'd survive. But knowing that town, I really don't know whether Ruben could survive if he doesn't make this trade."

Another longtime baseball man said, "You know, in some ways, Ruben walked into a great situation there, because he inherited a good club, with a good manager and a good farm system. But in other ways, it's a bad situation -- because he's in a situation where people could run him out of town if he doesn't make this deal."

So which GM is under more pressure? It almost has to be Amaro. Doesn't it? Then again …

mozartpc27 wrote:Why would Colorado be trading anybody useful away? They lead the wild card race.

kenrosenthal wrote:the Rangers New York Rangers were convinced they were the front-runners to get Ryan Garko from the Indians. They were surprised when he ended up going to the Giants New York Giants instead.

Werthless wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Why would Colorado be trading anybody useful away? They lead the wild card race.

They have 5 OFs they're giving regular playing time to (Fowler, Hawpe, Seth Smith, Spilgburgghghghies, and Carlos Gonzalez). Fowler and Gonzalez are their future, Seth Smith is playing everyday against righties, and Hawpe is their best current OF. Spilborghs is essentially an odd man out, and could be considered expendable.

mozartpc27 wrote:

kenrosenthal wrote:--The Jays are emphasizing high ceilings and proximity to the major leagues over quantity in trades. But a scout who covers the Phillies organization said if Toronto is willing to take on some risk that at Low-A they have a 19-year-old starter from Brazil named Heitor Correa and an 18-year-old center fielder named Anthony Gose who have big-time potential.

"I know how far they are away," the scout said. "And I know how few guys make it. But you watch Correia and at 19 he is already throwing 90-94 mph with command and plus secondary pitches with his curve and changeup. And I know everyone loves (more advanced outfielders) Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown, and personally I think Taylor is not only a terrific prospect, but a great kid. But go watch Gose play. This kid plays center field more shallow than Andruw Jones and you can't get it over his head. And he has 56 steals. In five years, I don't think it is outrageous that we will look back and he will be the best prospect currently in the Phillies' orgnaization. He is a $#@! kid from California who can just fly."

If that is even remotely true, DO IT. Drabek + Correa + Gose.

Brantt wrote:FTN or Squire..............analysis of Correa and Gose?

But a scout who covers the Phillies organization said if Toronto is willing to take on some risk that at Low-A they have a 19-year-old starter from Brazil named Heitor Correa and an 18-year-old center fielder named Anthony Gose who have big-time potential.

ashton wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

kenrosenthal wrote:--The Jays are emphasizing high ceilings and proximity to the major leagues over quantity in trades. But a scout who covers the Phillies organization said if Toronto is willing to take on some risk that at Low-A they have a 19-year-old starter from Brazil named Heitor Correa and an 18-year-old center fielder named Anthony Gose who have big-time potential.

"I know how far they are away," the scout said. "And I know how few guys make it. But you watch Correia and at 19 he is already throwing 90-94 mph with command and plus secondary pitches with his curve and changeup. And I know everyone loves (more advanced outfielders) Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown, and personally I think Taylor is not only a terrific prospect, but a great kid. But go watch Gose play. This kid plays center field more shallow than Andruw Jones and you can't get it over his head. And he has 56 steals. In five years, I don't think it is outrageous that we will look back and he will be the best prospect currently in the Phillies' orgnaization. He is a $#@! kid from California who can just fly."

If that is even remotely true, DO IT. Drabek + Correa + Gose.

Brantt wrote:FTN or Squire..............analysis of Correa and Gose?

Note that the quote about Gose and Correa is just the personal opinion of someone with no connection to the Blue Jays.

But a scout who covers the Phillies organization said if Toronto is willing to take on some risk that at Low-A they have a 19-year-old starter from Brazil named Heitor Correa and an 18-year-old center fielder named Anthony Gose who have big-time potential.

Brantt wrote:FTN or Squire..............analysis of Correa and Gose?

FTN wrote:

Brantt wrote:FTN or Squire..............analysis of Correa and Gose?

I was really big on Correa 2 years ago, but he was suspended all of last season for an infraction I'm not at liberty to discuss in public, because I can't confirm it with a second source. He's got a real live arm (which was talked about in the brief blurb there) and always seemed like a good breakout candidate before the suspension. Lakewood has helped his surface line this year, his peripherals have been good not great, but he doesn't even turn 20 until next month, obviously he's got a ton of time.

Gose is probably the fastest player in the minors, and hes got a cannon arm. Hes still raw at the plate, and its gonna take him a lot of time to learn to hit breaking balls and use his speed. Hes not a Juan Pierre-esque slap hitter, hes got more power than that, but hes probably gonna max out at 10-15 a year in the bigs. Just a guess.