ek wrote:Stark is on Mike and Mike saying how the Jays sent proposals to 5 teams , which were all denied. And he said that negotiations with the Phillies got testy over the weekend and that negotiations are at a standstill. He seems to think that if anything happens with Halladay that the Jays are going to have to get off their set price for him.

Squire wrote:

ek wrote:Stark is on Mike and Mike saying how the Jays sent proposals to 5 teams , which were all denied. And he said that negotiations with the Phillies got testy over the weekend and that negotiations are at a standstill. He seems to think that if anything happens with Halladay that the Jays are going to have to get off their set price for him.

Perfect.

SQUIRE

So, in today’s News Journal, you read about how the Phillies were preparing a counter-offer for Roy Halladay that involved four pieces:

1. Kyle Drabek or J.A. Happ.
2. Dominic Brown or Michael Taylor.
3. Carlos Carrasco.
4. Another prospect double-A or triple-A.

Well, turns out, the Phillies have made that counter-offer. According to an ESPN.com report this morning, they dangled Happ, Taylor, Carrasco and Jason Donald, and it was swiftly rejected by the Jays, who are insisting on getting both Drabek and Happ, plus Brown, and reportedly told the Phillies that they’re perfectly willing to hold on to Halladay if they aren’t presented with a deal they like by Friday’s trade deadline.

Sorry, but we don’t believe that.

Once again, these are negotiations, and in negotiations, it’s never advantageous to reveal all your cards. But, and we’ve discussed this before in this space, the cost-cutting Jays know they must deal Halladay. And they also know that Halladay’s value to them will never be higher than it is right now. If they trade Halladay now, he will be going to a team that gets him for two playoff runs. If they trade Halladay in the offseason, or next July, he will be going to a team that gets him for only one playoff run. Needless to say, the Jays are in position to get more for him now than they will be in six or 12 months.

Just ask the Minnesota Twins. Two years ago, the Twins decided not to trade Johan Santana at the deadline. They waited until the offseason, and all they were able to get from the Mets was light-hitting center fielder Carlos Gomez and three middling pitching prospects. If they’d traded him during the ‘07 season, it’s possible they’d have gotten a lot more. (In our weekly MLB Notes in the News Journal, we took a look at three recent blockbuster trades for ace pitchers, including the Santana deal, and the varying degrees of success for the teams that acquired the ace.)

Halladay already has told the Jays that he’s not likely to re-sign after next season when he becomes a free agent. The Jays probably won’t win the World Series next season, even if they keep Halladay. So, there’s absolutely no reason for them to not trade him before Friday. For now, though, they want the Phillies (and other teams) to think that they won’t in order to ratchet up the price. The Phillies don’t seem to be buying it, and they shouldn’t. It’s bunk.

So, what happens this week, as the calendar lurches toward Friday?

The Phillies are continuing to talk to the Jays, while also monitoring their other options. They have a scout in Seattle today to watch the Indians’ Cliff Lee, their No. 2 choice and a pretty decent consolation prize, although there hasn’t been any indication that Cleveland is seriously motivated to move Lee. They’ll also scout Jarrod Washburn’s next start for the Mariners. And while it certainly benefits the Phillies to make the Jays think they have other options, Halladay is still their clear-cut preference and they remain his most aggressive suitor.

So, as the deadline nears, one of two things is going to happen: Either the Jays lower their initial demand for Halladay (Drabek, Happ, Brown), or the Phillies swallow hard and give in to that demand.

Which side will blink first?

Tick, tock. Tick,tock

The last we heard of Halladay the Blue Jays turned down an offer for J.A. Happ, Carlos Carrasco, Michael Taylor and Jason Donald, which is likely to be the best offer the Jays get. All indication out of Philadelphia is that studs Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown are officially off the table. If that's the case then you can just about forget the Phillies.

Furthermore, the Yankees have no intent on giving up Phil Hughes for Halladay, which knocks them out. The Red Sox don't seem to want to part with Buchholz and others for Halladay, so drop them off the list. The Rangers have the prospects, but probably don't have the financial capability, so lets dump them. The Brewers have the prospects, but Halladay probably wouldn't accept a deal there, so say bye-bye to Milwaukee. The White Sox have the guts to pull off a deal; however, they don't have the prospects (assuming Beckham is untouchable), so forget them. The Dodgers have the prospects and the wherewithal to make it happen, but they're not including Kershaw, which means they're not getting Halladay, so forget that.

In the end I just can't come up with a conceivable package that gets Halladay out of Toronto. I always thought the Phillies would crack and package Drabek and Happ, but now I'm second-guessing that. Looks like Halladay may be stuck drinking Molson Ice and watching the Maple Leafs for at least another year.

Warszawa wrote:Lauber

So, in today’s News Journal, you read about how the Phillies were preparing a counter-offer for Roy Halladay that involved four pieces:

1. Kyle Drabek or J.A. Happ.
2. Dominic Brown or Michael Taylor.
3. Carlos Carrasco.
4. Another prospect double-A or triple-A.

Well, turns out, the Phillies have made that counter-offer. According to an ESPN.com report this morning, they dangled Happ, Taylor, Carrasco and Jason Donald, and it was swiftly rejected by the Jays, who are insisting on getting both Drabek and Happ, plus Brown, and reportedly told the Phillies that they’re perfectly willing to hold on to Halladay if they aren’t presented with a deal they like by Friday’s trade deadline.

Sorry, but we don’t believe that.

Once again, these are negotiations, and in negotiations, it’s never advantageous to reveal all your cards. But, and we’ve discussed this before in this space, the cost-cutting Jays know they must deal Halladay. And they also know that Halladay’s value to them will never be higher than it is right now. If they trade Halladay now, he will be going to a team that gets him for two playoff runs. If they trade Halladay in the offseason, or next July, he will be going to a team that gets him for only one playoff run. Needless to say, the Jays are in position to get more for him now than they will be in six or 12 months.

Just ask the Minnesota Twins. Two years ago, the Twins decided not to trade Johan Santana at the deadline. They waited until the offseason, and all they were able to get from the Mets was light-hitting center fielder Carlos Gomez and three middling pitching prospects. If they’d traded him during the ‘07 season, it’s possible they’d have gotten a lot more. (In our weekly MLB Notes in the News Journal, we took a look at three recent blockbuster trades for ace pitchers, including the Santana deal, and the varying degrees of success for the teams that acquired the ace.)

Halladay already has told the Jays that he’s not likely to re-sign after next season when he becomes a free agent. The Jays probably won’t win the World Series next season, even if they keep Halladay. So, there’s absolutely no reason for them to not trade him before Friday. For now, though, they want the Phillies (and other teams) to think that they won’t in order to ratchet up the price. The Phillies don’t seem to be buying it, and they shouldn’t. It’s bunk.

So, what happens this week, as the calendar lurches toward Friday?

The Phillies are continuing to talk to the Jays, while also monitoring their other options. They have a scout in Seattle today to watch the Indians’ Cliff Lee, their No. 2 choice and a pretty decent consolation prize, although there hasn’t been any indication that Cleveland is seriously motivated to move Lee. They’ll also scout Jarrod Washburn’s next start for the Mariners. And while it certainly benefits the Phillies to make the Jays think they have other options, Halladay is still their clear-cut preference and they remain his most aggressive suitor.

So, as the deadline nears, one of two things is going to happen: Either the Jays lower their initial demand for Halladay (Drabek, Happ, Brown), or the Phillies swallow hard and give in to that demand.

Which side will blink first?

Tick, tock. Tick,tock

Squire wrote:Its interesting. The current Phillies management (gillick has made trades with

SF - Taschner
Seattle - Moyer
Texas - Mayberry
Cincinnati - somebody I can't remember
Pittsburgh - Paulino
White Sox - Thome, Garcia, etc.
Oakland - Blanton
Houston - Lidge

For JP - I can only recall a handful of trades with Oakland and the Overbay deal with Milwaukee

SQUIRE

The Red Tornado wrote:

Squire wrote:

ek wrote:Stark is on Mike and Mike saying how the Jays sent proposals to 5 teams , which were all denied. And he said that negotiations with the Phillies got testy over the weekend and that negotiations are at a standstill. He seems to think that if anything happens with Halladay that the Jays are going to have to get off their set price for him.

Perfect.

SQUIRE

maybe, but if a trade doesnt get done I wont be happy

The Red Tornado wrote:

Squire wrote:

ek wrote:Stark is on Mike and Mike saying how the Jays sent proposals to 5 teams , which were all denied. And he said that negotiations with the Phillies got testy over the weekend and that negotiations are at a standstill. He seems to think that if anything happens with Halladay that the Jays are going to have to get off their set price for him.

Perfect.

SQUIRE

maybe, but if a trade doesnt get done I wont be happy