Halladay V - Final Destination

by 1 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 06:36:44

JFLNYC wrote:Anybody else feel bad for Jason Motte today?

Yeah. Me neither.

maybe if he didn't have that douchebag look and if wheeler weren't talking so much about him on friday night.

by 1 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 06:40:29

i was having vivid twitter-related dreams that the jays accepted happ, carrasco, and brown overnight. i haven't been able to sleep since 3.

by **BigB** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 08:27:47

ek wrote:I don't see Toronto budging from this Drabek AND Happ stance.

I don't think the Phillies rejected the offer because fo Drabek and Happ. In fact I think that if the offer was only Drabek, Happ and Brown the trade would have been done, the Phillies would have been crazy to turn that down, that really is a fair deal for the best Righthanded Pitcher in baseball. However I still believe that these are the ONLY names that the reporters knew. But for exampe if Gose and Knapp were also in the ask, I would not have done it either. I think Toronto's ask is much higher than three players. I believe they asked for six players and as a matter of fact I don't think they make the deal for Halladay without getting at least five players back..

by **PSUsarge** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:04:57

jays' request of saunders, aybar, wood, plus 1 more from LAA (via Fox) seems as steep as drabek-happ-brown. #halladay

Heyman

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:52:42

Warszawa wrote:Yahoo Sports-
The Angels did indeed make a run at Halladay, offering Jered Weaver plus the Blue Jays’ pick of outfield or infield prospects, including Brandon Wood, but it wasn’t enough.

Lets get real about what its gonna take now.

I'm amazed Riccardi turned that down. As I wrote up thread, given the difference in age and salary, I'm not sure I'd trade Weaver for Halladay straight up. Weaver must be arb-eligible next year, otherwise it makes no sense.

And from what I've been reading, the reason Happ is so important to the Jays is because they don't want just prospects. They want at least one good, young major-leaguer. If you look at all the other teams' rumors, they all contain a young major league pitcher. Happ is a key to this deal for Riccardi. I think they might have considered Carrasco because he's in AAA. The only problem is he sucks.

by **phatj** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:20:09

JFLNYC wrote:I'm amazed Riccardi turned that down. As I wrote up thread, given the difference in age and salary, I'm not sure I'd trade Weaver for Halladay straight up. Weaver must be arb-eligible next year, otherwise it makes no sense.

And from what I've been reading, the reason Happ is so important to the Jays is because they don't want just prospects. They want at least one good, young major-leaguer. If you look at all the other teams' rumors, they all contain a young major league pitcher. Happ is a key to this deal for Riccardi. I think they might have considered Carrasco because he's in AAA. The only problem is he sucks.

From what I gather, the Jays seem to be able to produce an endless stream of decent back-of-the-rotation type pitchers, which makes me wonder whether Ricciardi is buying the Happ Hype, or if the demand for a good ML starter in return is PR-based.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:26:10

Toronto’s Towering Ace Lingers at the Exit

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:58:43

As of Saturday night, the Angels were of the mind to remove themselves from the Roy Halladay(notes) talks, believing they were never going to come close to the Blue Jays’ asking price of Joe Saunders(notes), Erick Aybar(notes), Brandon Wood(notes) and a prospect such as outfielder Peter Bourjos.

Tim Brown, Yahoo Sports

by **BigEd76** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:00:38

Stark: Toronto rejected an offer of Happ/Carrasco/Taylor/Donald

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:02:10

so they made an offer, phillies rejected. phillies countered, they rejected.

now they either meet in the middle or JP takes his ball and goes home

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:02:47

BigEd76 wrote:Stark: Toronto rejected an offer of Happ/Carrasco/Taylor/Donald

That's not a horrible counter offer.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:03:15

So JPR turned down Happ, Taylor, Carrasco & Donald.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:05:31

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:Stark: Toronto rejected an offer of Happ/Carrasco/Taylor/Donald

That's not a horrible counter offer.

Agreed. Very respectable.

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:06:12

So despite their lack of progress so far, the Phillies still seem to be positioned as the club most likely to trade for Halladay. But the Blue Jays have spent the last 24 hours trying to get the word out that they don't have to deal their ace. In the next few days, everyone will find out whether they're serious, or just trying to ratchet up the price.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:07:52

ek wrote:now it may be drabek AND Happ plus lower prospects, in my opinion

Yeah. Don't think there's any way deal gets done without both of them.

by **dajafi** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:08:25

Sub Knapp for Carrasco and that's still an offer I could easily live with.

Hell, add Knapp to that offer and so long as the Jays put in a guy like Tallet or Scutaro, I'm okay.

Pretty much any deal in which we get Halladay and keep Drabek and Brown is an unambiguous win AFAIC.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:09:20

Apparently Knapp is out of the equation because he's on the DL with "Shoulder fatigue."

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:09:56

Its going to take Drabek + Happ + Taylor + more.

People can say thats too much and they don't want to do it and they want to wait out JP and hope he caves. But we're not dealing with a smart, rational guy.

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:12:56

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=9289

kind of shows you how out of touch Perrotto is

The Phillies had scout Charlie Kerfeld watch Halladay’s start against the Rays on Friday night at the Rogers Centre, and former GM Pat Gillick scouted his previous outing. The Phillies could likely land Halladay with a package built around three Triple-A players—right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald, and outfielder Michael Taylor—along with two second-tier prospects. However, there has been speculation that the Phillies are backing off trading for Holliday since they have taken control of the National League East race by opening up a 6½-game lead on the Braves and Marlins.

by **dajafi** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:14:16

ek wrote:a) they don't want knapp. they are wary of his shoulder fatigue
b) there is no deal for halladay in which you keep drabek and brown

Is the shoulder fatigue a serious problem? My sense was that they DL'd him--the 7 day--largely as a precautionary measure, and in part to hedge against him throwing too many innings.

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