FTN wrote:Hilarious turn of events.

JA Happ is untouchable.

Really one for the books

i want to punch bobloblaw in the nuts right now

Just had a thought

This is all a part of the master plan.

Build up Drabek by calling him untouchable = check

Build up Happ by comparing him to Drabek as if the two are interchangeable.

I HOPE this is Amaro trying to make it just seem like he can't possibly trade Happ. Then Amaro in a day or two will say "You drive a hard bargain, JP, you can have Happ"

So the Jays ask for Drabek, Brown & Happ.

The Phils say, we'll give you Carrasco and Donald instead of Happ.

In what world does this make sense for either side? The Phils should want to trade just Happ and the Jays should want Carrasco and Donald instead of Happ.

Welcome to theater of the absurd.

Ya think???

I think, at this point, the Phillies might be best served to move Carrasco to the bullpen and plan on that being his future. He could serve as a nice power arm capable of going more than 1 inning. He has major issues, and while he's still young, his development has stalled. He's got a nice fastball and supposedly a good changeup, but his curveball still appears to be an issue. If he ramps it up in relief I bet he could comfortably hit 93-95 for an inning. We could use an arm like that, on the cheap, for 6 years. Would be nice if he was still a #2 starter, but I think that ship has sailed, along with his elite prospect status. He could be of use to the ML team right now.

We're forever entwined with the jays. All we're doing is helping them start a bidding war. Deals that actually happen aren't announced publicly like this. I'm sure the favor will be repaid someday. I hope they hang onto Drabek. I'd give up any of the others for Halladay or Lee.

If this works out with us trading both Happ and Drabek and protecting both OFs, I think this will be a big win for the Phillies. I'm also leaning towards valuing Taylor over Brown right now. You know what. I think I'd be OK with Happ, Drabek and Brown. I kinda like keeping this as a 3-1. Given JP that but tell him he has to throw in a prospect like Tolisano.

I think they'd be best served by FedExing him up to Toronto and shoving him up Riccardi's patootie.

But, that's just me.

Olney said on BBTN that the Jays ownership wants to deal Halladay. He thinks they're just haggling right now and that the Phillies will increase their offer. Jays are using the Angels and Dodgers as leverage. Washburn is the backup plan.

ek wrote:

FTN wrote:I think, at this point, the Phillies might be best served to move Carrasco to the bullpen and plan on that being his future. He could serve as a nice power arm capable of going more than 1 inning. He has major issues, and while he's still young, his development has stalled. He's got a nice fastball and supposedly a good changeup, but his curveball still appears to be an issue. If he ramps it up in relief I bet he could comfortably hit 93-95 for an inning. We could use an arm like that, on the cheap, for 6 years. Would be nice if he was still a #2 starter, but I think that ship has sailed, along with his elite prospect status. He could be of use to the ML team right now.

what's he throwing right now velocity wise?

as a starter im sure hes sitting 91-92

Cant deal Happ. Too good. Likely 18 game winner next year

If Washburn really is the backup, then give them the whole farking farm system for Halladay.

Squire wrote:You know what. I think I'd be OK with Happ, Drabek and Brown. I kinda like keeping this as a 3-1. Given JP that but tell him he has to throw in a prospect like Tolisano.

Another convert! I know that the overwhelming reaction when it leaked out was: "It's too much." But I just don't see it. Happ's ceiling is middle of the rotation. Drabek may be great, but he may suck. Brown looks like something special, I'll grant you. But he's still in A ball. So much can happen to a kid that young who's still in the low minors.

We get the best pitcher in baseball, who also makes our pitifully overtaxed bullpen better. And, he either re-signs with us (likely for the rest of his productive career) or we get two draft choices who could end up being as good as either Drabek or Brown or both.

I just don't see how that's too much, when you factor in what this would mean in so many ways for this franchise.

FTN wrote:Hilarious turn of events.

JA Happ is untouchable.

Really one for the books

I read this 10 minutes ago and am still shaking my head about it because it's the truth. Sad. A chance for history and they won't give up JA Happ.

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:

FTN wrote:Hilarious turn of events.

JA Happ is untouchable.

Really one for the books

I read this 10 minutes ago and am still shaking my head about it because it's the truth. Sad. A chance for history and they won't give up JA Happ.

This would case me to forever despise Happ

I know he's had a good year so far...but come on. Kendrick had a nice stretch too.

JFLNYC wrote:

Squire wrote:You know what. I think I'd be OK with Happ, Drabek and Brown. I kinda like keeping this as a 3-1. Given JP that but tell him he has to throw in a prospect like Tolisano.

Another convert! I know that the overwhelming reaction when it leaked out was: "It's too much." But I just don't see it. Happ's ceiling is middle of the rotation. Drabek may be great, but he may suck. Brown looks like something special, I'll grant you. But he's still in A ball. So much can happen to a kid that young who's still in the low minors.

We get the best pitcher in baseball, who also makes our pitifully overtaxed bullpen better. And, he either re-signs with us (likely for the rest of his productive career) or we get two draft choices who could end up being as good as either Drabek or Brown or both.

I just don't see how that's too much, when you factor in what this would mean in so many ways for this franchise.

I'd do it as well if need be. Not yet though.

ek wrote:

FTN wrote:

ek wrote:

FTN wrote:I think, at this point, the Phillies might be best served to move Carrasco to the bullpen and plan on that being his future. He could serve as a nice power arm capable of going more than 1 inning. He has major issues, and while he's still young, his development has stalled. He's got a nice fastball and supposedly a good changeup, but his curveball still appears to be an issue. If he ramps it up in relief I bet he could comfortably hit 93-95 for an inning. We could use an arm like that, on the cheap, for 6 years. Would be nice if he was still a #2 starter, but I think that ship has sailed, along with his elite prospect status. He could be of use to the ML team right now.

what's he throwing right now velocity wise?

as a starter im sure hes sitting 91-92

thought it was higher than that

I dont know. There's a difference between being able to hit a speed a handful of times in a game and throwing 90% of your fastballs at that speed. I think hes anywhere from 91-93 consistently, but he could add 2-3 mph in one inning stints.

And Drabek better end up being Cy Freakin' Young and Brown Babe Freakin' Ruth.

Y'ALL HAVE BROKEN ME!

Drabek, Happ, Brown + something small

Do. It.

FTN wrote:I dont know. There's a difference between being able to hit a speed a handful of times in a game and throwing 90% of your fastballs at that speed. I think hes anywhere from 91-93 consistently, but he could add 2-3 mph in one inning stints.

Or maybe more. Look what happened with Madson.