Halladay V - Final Destination

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:15:58

near certainty that he isnt getting traded

i think toronto's upper management realized it would be dumb to let a guy they are going to fire trade the team's most valuable player

by **dajafi** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:18:37

FTN wrote:near certainty that he isnt getting traded

i think toronto's upper management realized it would be dumb to let a guy they are going to fire trade the team's most valuable player

That's true.

But for the sake of the fucking thousands of collective hours we've spent discussing and debating and obsessing, I wish they could have come to this rather obvious conclusion 2-3 weeks ago.

by **Trent Steele** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:18:58

FTN wrote:near certainty that he isnt getting traded

i think toronto's upper management realized it would be dumb to let a guy they are going to fire trade the team's most valuable player

go get cliff lee. drabek, happ, donald.

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:19:13

JP just wanted people talking about him

by **philliesphhan** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:25:53

I think we're gonna get him. We might have to give up "too much" but I think it's worth it.

by **Trent Steele** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:27:06

Ace Rothstein wrote:
ek wrote:everyone's favorite Keith Law doesn't think we have a package to suffice Toronto

is he trying to say all the rumors out there about the phillies turning down the jays are false?

Law is being played. He's got no clue what is going on here

by **philliesphhan** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:45:45

ek wrote:I don't think so at this point. I just don't. $#@!, I hate feeling like this. and it's not really because we're not getting halladay per se. it's because I don't see us getting anyone of significance, which I think we need

You just don't want to get your heart broken. Yeah, it could happen, but we also could get Halladay. YOU GOTTA BELIEVE

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 19:47:53

Its a simple process at this point

1. will toronto even trade him or are their demands to extreme for every team?
2. where will roy go? any team on the west coast is a big underdog

he wants to come to philadelphia. how determined is the brass in toronto to hold him and potentially have it blow up on them this winter?

i just dont think he gets moved. i hope im wrong

by **dajafi** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:00:37

I think it comes down to whether Ricciardi thinks his potential next employer will be more impressed by his taking a "lesser" but still excellent package, or his standing on principle, to the likely detriment of his current employer.

Which is really not the grounds on which such a decision should be made, but after all the guy is a buttface.

by **Mountainphan** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:09:12

Just make JP an under the table offer for a front office job next year.

Halladay would be our's in no time.

by **CFP** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:35:33

Well, that's it. No Halladay.

by **Trent Steele** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:35:47

ek wrote:philly.com

is this for real?

As trade negotiations between the Phillies and Toronto continued yesterday, the Phillies were trying to steer the Blue Jays toward a package led by pitcher Carlos Carrasco, infielder Jason Donald and others in their attempt to acquire Roy Halladay, sources with knowledge of the negotiations said.

The Phillies spurned a deal that included Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and Dominic Brown, as suggested by the Blue Jays The Phillies do not want to trade both Drabek and Happ.

Drabek, a 21-year-old righthander, is the club's top pitching prospect. Brown, 21, is regarded as the top position player in the Phillies' system. Happ, a 26-year-old rookie, is 7-1 after suffering his first loss of the season Friday night.

The negotiating process for Halladay is still in the early stages, the sources said.

No. Whoever wrote this is an idiot. Just give up Drabek and Happ and get it done. I'm going to hate Happ to an irrational level if this doesnt go through because they dont want to give him up

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:36:26

we need a Halladay subforum

by **CFP** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:42:39

As an aside, I'd love to just dick around and get Knapp in a game out of the pen in September when things are long locked up so he can strike out Wright, Beltran, and Delgado all in a row.

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:51:12

CFP wrote:As an aside, I'd love to just dick around and get Knapp in a game out of the pen in September when things are long locked up so he can strike out Wright, Beltran, and Delgado all in a row.

that would be dumb

by **lowcountry** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:52:48

CFP wrote:As an aside, I'd love to just dick around and get Knapp in a game out of the pen in September when things are long locked up so he can strike out Wright, Beltran, and Delgado all in a row.

Like they'll all be healthy at the same time. :lol:

by **cshort** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:52:53

Trent Steele wrote:
ek wrote:philly.com

is this for real?

As trade negotiations between the Phillies and Toronto continued yesterday, the Phillies were trying to steer the Blue Jays toward a package led by pitcher Carlos Carrasco, infielder Jason Donald and others in their attempt to acquire Roy Halladay, sources with knowledge of the negotiations said.

The Phillies spurned a deal that included Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and Dominic Brown, as suggested by the Blue Jays The Phillies do not want to trade both Drabek and Happ.

Drabek, a 21-year-old righthander, is the club's top pitching prospect. Brown, 21, is regarded as the top position player in the Phillies' system. Happ, a 26-year-old rookie, is 7-1 after suffering his first loss of the season Friday night.

The negotiating process for Halladay is still in the early stages, the sources said.

No. Whoever wrote this is an idiot. Just give up Drabek and Happ and get it done. I'm going to hate Happ to an irrational level if this doesnt go through because they dont want to give him up

I think that was just the Phillies' opening offer, much like the Drabek, Happ, Brown was JPR's. My guess is that Rube is trying to limit the damage to one or two of the three JPR wants, replacing one of the pitchers with Carrasco.

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:56:11

I wish the deadline was tomorrow

by **CFP** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 20:58:18

FTN wrote:
CFP wrote:As an aside, I'd love to just dick around and get Knapp in a game out of the pen in September when things are long locked up so he can strike out Wright, Beltran, and Delgado all in a row.

that would be dumb

Well, in the past I think I've seen you say that you would bring Drabek up and have him work out of the pen later in the year. What's the true difference between him and Knapp? I'm not saying long-term experience for Knapp, maybe a game or two just to give him a taste.

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 21:00:06

CFP wrote:
FTN wrote:
CFP wrote:As an aside, I'd love to just dick around and get Knapp in a game out of the pen in September when things are long locked up so he can strike out Wright, Beltran, and Delgado all in a row.

that would be dumb

Well, in the past I think I've seen you say that you would bring Drabek up and have him work out of the pen later in the year. What's the true difference between him and Knapp? I'm not saying long-term experience for Knapp, maybe a game or two just to give him a taste.

Knapp isnt on the 40 man roster. And if he was placed on the 40 man, they'd burn an option on him next year out of spring training. its just dumb

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