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Source: "I'd be shocked" if #Phillies "reverse course" and include Happ+Drabek for Halladay. But 2nd source sez #BlueJays "got to" have both
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To me, this is a dream scenario if you're Rube. You say to them "ok, fine, if you need to have both pitchers, you can't have Brown or Taylor. We'll give you Donald and D'Arnaud to round out the deal". If Toronto balks at that, then walk away. It goes both ways. I don't want Drabek dealt, but thats a foregone conclusion.

dajafi wrote:I'm strongly against torture, but I'd consider an exception if applied to whoever loosed Twitter upon the world. I loathe everything about it.

Twitter has changed a lot in the last year. My gf was an early adopter and loved(s) it. People were cool, it felt like a community and few celebs or cops were involved then. People had a good vibe about it, and the limited sms-140character limit created a certain style of communication. Now its been over-exposed, everyone has their hooks in to it and celebs and every idiot is trying to use it for pub or to make a buck ...

What I'd like to know, is why ESPN on its front page, is indicating the Phils wouldn't meet the Jays demands? Is that now the word on the street. They asked for too much and we're stonewalling or playing hard poker? Are we officially out as the lead destination? We surely have the ammo to get it done. I was opposed to Happ and Drabek, but I guess its still worth it. Why wouldn't that and a few tier 2 guys be enough... that'a s sweet deal for Toronto. They get a guy who is 7-1 with a sub 3.00 era to pick up Halladays starts right now, and have Drabek a hopeful future Halladay. I don't know how people can be so high on Brown when he's so young and unproven but ok, Taylor and Brown remain and there are some future OF prospects or guys for future deals...

If Jays wnat em all, well -- I don't know. Halladay could win a WS for us THIS year -- he's that Schilling, Randy Johnson studly guy who you can ride, if Hamels returns to form -- that's a heckuvah 1-2 punch... I know no one will fault the Phils if they don't give away their 3 top prospects and Happ - but I just keep focusing on the unique opportunity that IS Halladay and the timing of what it would/could do for THIS season and next...

just sayin....

#Washburn

dajafi wrote:I'm strongly against torture, but I'd consider an exception if applied to whoever loosed Twitter upon the world. I loathe everything about it.

You've inspired me to make the next big website. It will just be emoticons. So it will be like

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Twitter is hard to read with the @# stuff going on.

FTN wrote:this was the ed price twitter

Source: "I'd be shocked" if #Phillies "reverse course" and include Happ+Drabek for Halladay. But 2nd source sez #BlueJays "got to" have both
21 minutes ago from UberTwitter

To me, this is a dream scenario if you're Rube. You say to them "ok, fine, if you need to have both pitchers, you can't have Brown or Taylor.

Yeah, when I saw that, I hoped that rube is going to put forward some other offers which have either happ or drabek, but not both, and when they get rejected, and jpr feels like he's totally the boss, rube goes 'okay, fine, if that's what it takes ...'

Wizlah wrote:

FTN wrote:this was the ed price twitter

Source: "I'd be shocked" if #Phillies "reverse course" and include Happ+Drabek for Halladay. But 2nd source sez #BlueJays "got to" have both
21 minutes ago from UberTwitter

To me, this is a dream scenario if you're Rube. You say to them "ok, fine, if you need to have both pitchers, you can't have Brown or Taylor.

Yeah, when I saw that, I hoped that rube is going to put forward some other offers which have either happ or drabek, but not both, and when they get rejected, and jpr feels like he's totally the boss, rube goes 'okay, fine, if that's what it takes ...'

My fear, though, is that between the time when Rube's offer is objected and the time he relents, someone else gets a deal done.

I have no idea if there really are other offers out there, but that seems to be what everyone's saying. That could just be misinformation JPR is planting, but he doesn't seem smart enough to pull it off.

It's one thing to lose out on Sabathia or Haren or Santana because you don't have what it takes. But to lose out on the biggest prize of all when you know you've got what it takes and you're the favorite would be a bitter pill to swallow.

• The Angels did indeed make a run at Halladay, offering Jered Weaver(notes) plus the Blue Jays’ pick of outfield or infield prospects, including Brandon Wood(notes), but it wasn’t enough. Milwaukee’s position on trades, as articulated by owner Mark Attanasio is “aggressive but not stupid.”

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu ... &type=lgns


wow. did the jays really turn that down?! i find this hard to believe.

One more thing, when you're the favorite, the longer things take, the greater the chance you lose. IOW, if the Phils were really going for it, I think it would be done (or close to it) today.

I've seen it happen first hand. I saw someone with a signed contract on a $125MM deal who was in the midst of due diligence lose the deal because he thought he had all the leverage and all the other bidders were gone. He screwed around during due diligence, trying to get the price lower and someone else came in and got the deal literally in one day by agreeing to the price and agreeing it wouldn't be reduced as a result of due diligence.

I can also tell you that all the "experts" in the field said they'd overpaid. But they turned around and sold the same asset 2 1/2 years later for $313MM. The guy who originally had the deal died a few years later a broken man.

True story.

Wait, JFNYC, didn't you think that JP floated the Mets rumor? Why couldn't he be floating these too?

The other thing with being the favorite is that you can wait around and let teams make their best offer, which still won't be as good as what you can offer, and try and drive the price down a bit

The Dude wrote:Wait, JFNYC, didn't you think that JP floated the Mets rumor? Why couldn't he be floating these too?

Yeah, but that's the point. It was done so clumsily and incredibly it was immediately debunked. Not so with these other rumors.

JFLNYC wrote:My fear, though, is that between the time when Rube's offer is objected and the time he relents, someone else gets a deal done.

I have no idea if there really are other offers out there, but that seems to be what everyone's saying. That could just be misinformation JPR is planting, but he doesn't seem smart enough to pull it off.

If someone does come in with another deal, I'm confident that we'd have enough to top them. And barring something crazy like a team throwing out two players from their current roster into a deal, I'm sure rube would try to pay more if necessary.

I have no idea why I'm so confident in rube right now. I think it's the pedro deal. It seems like the move of a gm determined to give himself sufficient flexibility to get the best result he can out of the trade.

So long as Ruben has the last shot, I'm confident we'll either get him or that the price anything team pays will be something most of us consider excessive.

JFLNYC wrote:But to lose out on the biggest prize of all when you know you've got what it takes and you're the favorite would be a bitter pill to swallow.

I fear that we will return to reality -- Phils brass can't "play hardball"

very bitter pill indeed, since we may really need this guy to close the deal this year -- Dodgers and Cardinals are not push-overs... and we're thinning by the day with the arms...

The Dude wrote:The other thing with being the favorite is that you can wait around and let teams make their best offer, which still won't be as good as what you can offer, and try and drive the price down a bit

That assumes the Phils are the favorite because of what they've actually offered and I don't think that's the case. The Phils are the favorite because of what they could offer (and their financial ability, of course).

If the Phils don't use their assets as necessary, their "favorite" status only makes the failure to get the deal done more bitter.

JFLNYC wrote:

The Dude wrote:The other thing with being the favorite is that you can wait around and let teams make their best offer, which still won't be as good as what you can offer, and try and drive the price down a bit

That assumes the Phils are the favorite because of what they've actually offered and I don't think that's the case. The Phils are the favorite because of what they could offer (and their financial ability, of course).

If the Phils don't use their assets as necessary, their "favorite" status only makes the failure to get the deal done more bitter.

Serious question: is there a price you wouldn't pay for Halladay? What would be too much?

JFLNYC wrote:

The Dude wrote:The other thing with being the favorite is that you can wait around and let teams make their best offer, which still won't be as good as what you can offer, and try and drive the price down a bit

That assumes the Phils are the favorite because of what they've actually offered and I don't think that's the case. The Phils are the favorite because of what they could offer (and their financial ability, of course).

If the Phils don't use their assets as necessary, their "favorite" status only makes the failure to get the deal done more bitter.

It doesn't assume they're the favorite b/c of what they've offered, they've been the favorite for almost a month without doing anything. They're the favorite b/c they have what the Jays want, and have plenty of prospects. They'll be the favorite until the second they don't try and match any other deal, and the Jays complete the trade elsewhere

dajafi wrote:So long as Ruben has the last shot, I'm confident we'll either get him or that the price anything team pays will be something most of us consider excessive.

yep

dajafi wrote:So long as Ruben has the last shot, I'm confident we'll either get him or that the price anything team pays will be something most of us consider excessive.

I guess the only thing here is whether jpr wants to deal with us because we have the most depth and are prepared to trade, or because he likes our prospects the best. If it's the former, and the other trade is good but we could top it, he may not necessarily go back to rube. But if that were the case, there's feck all rube could do about it anyway.