Halladay V - Final Destination

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 13:44:25

If the Phils blow this, they're certifiable.

If you've got a chance to get Halladay and Scutaro and 4 draft picks over the next two years and you're quibbling over which prospects, it's insane.

Those four draft picks could end up being just as good (or close to it) as the four prospects you're trading. It's genius. It's the perfect marriage of going for it now and keeping an eye on the future. Setting aside what Halladay and Scutaro do for the team in the short term, just think how much fun the next two drafts would be with those 4 additional picks?

If the Phils let someone else swoop in and get the deal or just overplay their hand, they're insane.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 13:48:21

But Scutaro's name was has been in play for awhile now. And the Phils have a nice replacement for him in Donald. Getting Scutaro -- and the draft picks he brings with him -- is the perfect rationale to give JPR what he wants and still be smart about the future.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:33:03

Do the Phillies think it was just luck that they got they drafted these good prospects or do they believe they now have a system in place thanks to Gillick's time here that will allow them to replenish their farm system year after year with good players?

by **VFB** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:38:13

getting stronger:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32136266/ ... -baseball/

Phillies reportedly close to landing Halladay

Defending champions and Blue Jays making progress on deal for ace

The Philadelphia Phillies and Toronto Blue Jays reportedly are marking progress on a deal that would send star pitcher Roy Halladay to Philadelphia.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:41:14

The Angels also are interested and have intensified their push, FOXSports.com reported.

A deal is not imminent, FOXSports.com reported, but the Phillies are believed to be better position to land Halladay than other suitors such as the Dodgers, Rangers, Angels, Red Sox, Yankees and Brewers.

This is just a regurgitation of stories from yesterday.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:44:02

On Saturday, the Phillies -- considered the front-runners to acquire Halladay -- reportedly rejected a formal proposal sent their way by the Blue Jays. According to an ESPN report, Philadelphia balked at an offer that would have sent pitchers J.A. Happ and Kyle Drabek, along with outfield prospect Dominic Brown, to Toronto in exchange for Halladay.

Citing an executive of a team that has spoken with the Phillies, the report indicates that Philadelphia is opposed to giving up both Happ and Drabek.

MLB.com learned that Jays assistant general manager Tony LaCava scouted the latest outing of Phillies pitching prospect Carlos Carrasco, who could possibly be substituted for either Happ or Drabek in a deal.

The Phillies and Blue Jays continue to discuss names, including outfielder Michael Taylor, catcher Lou Marson and shortstop Jason Donald, and Toronto would prefer to have the matter resolved prior to Halladay's next scheduled start, on Wednesday in Seattle. Major League Baseball's non-waiver Trade Deadline is on Friday, but the Jays don't want the process to drag on that long.

mlb.com

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:45:52

this whole thing is comical at this point.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:47:10

Some quotes from the Fox Sports article ek referenced:

The Phillies are still thought of as the favorite to acquire Roy Halladay. But major league sources told FOXSports.com on Saturday morning that the Angels have intensified their own efforts to trade for the Toronto ace.

"They are not the only game in town," one executive said in reference to the Phillies.

As many as five teams are talking with the Jays about Halladay. The Phillies, Angels and Rangers are in that group, and the White Sox have not been ruled out.

The Jays don't expect to deal Halladay by the end of the weekend, according to one person with close knowledge of the negotiations. But it's possible that a resolution could come before the purported Tuesday deadline set by Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi.

The Angels, very involved in the market for pitching, caught the Jays' attention with an increased offer on Friday, according to multiple executives with knowledge of the Halladay market. In talks with the Angels, the Jays would want at least one player from the major league roster and another who could make an impact in 2010.

Toronto's needs on the left side of the infield would make Brandon Wood an intriguing prospect. It's not clear if the Angels would be willing to include a young starter in the deal, such as Jered Weaver or Ervin Santana.

"There's no doubt that the Angels have players that would be competitive," said one source with good knowledge of the team's farm system. "But it's a matter of what they want to give up."

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 14:50:02

we're going to get hosed here when the white sox get him for floyd and poreda.

our only hope is roy invoking his NTC

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:09:23

Just make the deal. Do not screw this up. Halladay will make WFC 2.0 that much more attainable. Do it!

by **lowcountry** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:11:58

GrizzledVeteran wrote:Just make the deal. Do not screw this up. Halladay will make WFC 2.0 that much more attainable. Do it!

This is some pretty high-stakes stuff. I'm just a phan and I can't even decide what I think Rube should do.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:13:32

GrizzledVeteran wrote:Just make the deal. Do not screw this up. Halladay will make WFC 2.0 that much more attainable. Do it!

If Scutaro is in the deal, i'm more prone to give the Jays what they want. The Phils can recoup what they gave up in the trade via the picks and the 09 team gets it's Ace and RH Bat off the bench.

by **Titlehungry** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:19:25

As disappointing as it would be not to get Halladay at this point, we still would have Drabek and Brown and Happ and Taylor if all this falls through... the kicker would be when at the last moment Ruben trades Drabek and Taylor to Seattle for Bedard or Washburn

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:19:32

This Is Roy freaking Halladay. How often are
difference makers like this available? Happ is a nice pitcher. But Drabek and Brown are nothing more than prospects at this point. Nobody knows how they'll do at the big-league level. This is a no-brainer. Pull the trigger.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:27:21

JFLNYC wrote:
The Angels also are interested and have intensified their push, FOXSports.com reported.

This is just a regurgitation of stories from yesterday.

It's FOXsports, and the Angels have Los Angeles in their name somewhere (The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim California United States North America Earth)

by **mcare89** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:31:57

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
GrizzledVeteran wrote:Just make the deal. Do not screw this up. Halladay will make WFC 2.0 that much more attainable. Do it!

If Scutaro is in the deal, i'm more prone to give the Jays what they want. The Phils can recoup what they gave up in the trade via the picks and the 09 team gets it's Ace and RH Bat off the bench.

That's the way I'm seeing it too. Those extra picks would really make it more interesting.

by **lowcountry** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:34:02

Maybe I'm just missing the boat here, but how are four picks guaranteed if it's Halladay and Scutaro? Wouldn't a lot of things still have to happen to get those?

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:40:03

lowcountry wrote:Maybe I'm just missing the boat here, but how are four picks guaranteed if it's Halladay and Scutaro? Wouldn't a lot of things still have to happen to get those?

Scutaro is a Type A after this season
Halladay is the top rated pitcher in all of baseball

Nothing has to happen

by **VFB** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:44:32

does scutaro have NTC ?

by **FTN** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 15:45:57

VFB wrote:does scutaro have NTC ?

he does whatever roy tells him to do

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