Halladay IV: A New Hope

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:33:29

What's with the "OMG Drabek is a head case" meme I heard on WIP this morning? What is it based on? And yeah, I said meme. Meme.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:36:21

It's always about you, you, you.

by **The Dude** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:36:42

Woody wrote:What's with the "OMG Drabek is a head case" meme I heard on WIP this morning? What is it based on? And yeah, I said meme. Meme.

That was one of the knocks when they drafted him. He most likely was acting like a normal 17 year old

by **BassGuiFloyd** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:37:36

Woody wrote:What's with the "OMG Drabek is a head case" meme I heard on WIP this morning? What is it based on? And yeah, I said meme. Meme.

google "drabek head case"

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:38:12

But what did he do?

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:41:27

Woody wrote:But what did he do?

he was 18 with a rich daddy

by **The Dude** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:41:35

I just only heard that he had "attitude problems". I don't think he did anything specific, but I could be wrong

by **jeff2sf** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:42:24

Woody wrote:But what did he do?

mikey miss said that when he was pulled out of his 2nd to last start (which wasn't a good start), he acted up in the dugout, which seemed to included cursing and throwing stuff. no one's ever done that before in the majors, so no one's sure how the clubhouse can withstand.

by **Bakestar** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:49:21

I think he has an underage drinking citation on his record, but I'm not sure.

Again, no other prospect has ever committed such a fiendish crime.

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:50:48

OMG underage drinking!? We'll be lucky if Toronto even wants him :cry:

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:53:54

(Isn't drinking age in Canada 18 anyway?) :lol:

by **BrianOrange** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:04:23

Bakestar wrote:I think he has an underage drinking citation on his record, but I'm not sure.

Again, no other prospect has ever committed such a fiendish crime.

He crashed his SUV into a tree or something too. Seriously.

by **Grotewold** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:12:38

He-man tweet: Phils still the favorite, Happ could work instead of Drabek

by **uncle milt** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:15:11

jeffs2fd - i don't remember what you said, actually, but it had something to do with carrasco and taylor and how the former would prolly be better to hold onto than the latter because the former's value was diminished and while it didn't say that the latter's was overstated i maybe inferred as much and figured it worthwhile to voice my position on this internet baseball forum. i'm a bottom line kind of guy, a villanovan, and at the bottom line would rather have taylor than carrasco. the sentiment most dear to me, though, is that of peace. i do not want to fight either. in fact, i remember how anxious i was when disco stu and jemagee were fighting in a random thoughts thread and i PM'd the latter to see if it was a gag and he said no and that he hated the former but not enough to spill his panda express. i come from a broken home and crave calm.

woody- two street. that's straight.

by **traderdave** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:20:32

I think I speak for everyone when I say that it is wonderful to see you two kids kiss and make-up.

by **uncle milt** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:26:12

traderdave wrote:I think I speak for everyone when I say that it is wonderful to see you two kids kiss and make-up.

ohnoes! i've since edited my post! ack!

by **bleh** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:35:05

If you look at Happ's starts game by game, most of his best games are against bad teams. And he's had some clunkers against good teams.

Here's all his starts:

opponent/earned runs/IP
@NYY 2 6.0
WSH 2 6.0
@SD 0 7.0
@NYM 4 5.1
BOS 5 5.2
BAL 2 6.0
@TOR 0 9.0
@ATL 2 7.0
CIN 3 7.0
PIT 1 7.0
@FLA 0 7.0

I'd hate to lose him but if they can use him in place of Drabek, it's probably a good move. I'd say give them Brown, Happ, and then some lesser prospect(s)

by **BrianOrange** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:46:33

I think this Happ in lieu of Drabek is great news. My one rule with this Halladay stuff is that Toronto can have one of our "Big 3" -- Drabek, Brown or Taylor. No more.

Someone could make the argument that Drabek will be the Happ of 2010/11 but better. So what are we losing in giving up Happ? If you can do it with Happ and not Drabek I'd do virtually any of the deals proposed on this board.

by **Grotewold** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:49:15

It's too bad Toronto has those albatross outfielders; would love Taylor to be a/the major piece

Could we maybe trade him somewhere else to recoup some of what we give to Toronto

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:53:29

Happ has to goes anyway because they need room for both Halladay and Pedro in the rotation. And really......where is Taylor or Donald going to play for this team anyway? I doubt they will be moving Werth or Victorino anytime soon to make room for Taylor and Rollins ain't going anywhere soon. This trade is such a no-brainer, unless the Phillies like having prospects and young players around just to have them and gloat about them.

If this fails I'll blame every thing on Montgomery, and I have a sneaky suspicion it'll really be about the money although they don't want to admit it with all their sellouts.

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