The Dude wrote:Not really arguing, but you said

"Altho it wouldnt surprise me if the Mets had a hand in the rumor since bidding up the price would be good for them (get Drabek out of the league, etc)",

and it doesn't bid up the price. I don't think either team really had a hand in it

JFLNYC wrote:But Riccardi is enough of a douche to turn it down and delude himself into thinking he'll do better in the off-season.

lethal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:But Riccardi is enough of a douche to turn it down and delude himself into thinking he'll do better in the off-season.

But Blue Jay ownership is involved in this too and I think they may want to unload the salary if at all possible.

The Dude wrote:I don't see why AZ would trade Haren. He'd cost more than Halladay in a trade

HillMD wrote:

The Dude wrote:I don't see why AZ would trade Haren. He'd cost more than Halladay in a trade

He's worth every penny...

Trent Steele wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

BassGuiFloyd wrote:CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, Mark Teixtera and Jake Peavy to White Sox that was blocked by Peavy are comparable.

If you're taking up my inquiry to PChuck, B, thanks - now all we need is for someone to run up those before/after #s to know if we have something to talk about

Sabathia really isnt the same since he it was a 2 month trade.

Santana not really the same because he had basically limited himself to the Mets.

Peavy? I guess that's closer, but he's not the same caliber as Halladay.

Texiera is probably the closest. Braves gave up some damn good players to get him, although I dont remember what the view was on Feliz at the time.

Feliz, 19, had the best fastball in the Braves system and dominated at times in Rookie ball with it, but he hasn't progressed to full-season ball yet. His fastball sits in the low 90s with good life and he can touch the mid-90s with ease. He also throws a slider and changeup, but his bigger problem is harnessing his command. He's walked 26 in 55 innings between the Rookie-level Gulf Coast and Appalachian leagues.

The latest word from a source familiar with Philadelphia's thinking is that the front-running Phillies have decided they will not include top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek in a four-player package for superstar pitcher Roy Halladay, perhaps raising the chances that Halladay will be dealt elsewhere or maybe even stay with the Jays. The Phillies are believed to have told Toronto of their Drabek decision, but if they haven't yet they will inform the Jays very soon.

Philadelphia has a bevy of respectable prospects, but opinions around baseball vary as to how decent the deal might be for Toronto without the inclusion of Drabek. The two teams have been discussing prospects, including outfielder Michael Taylor, shortstop Jason Donald and pitcher Carlos Carrasco. One AL exec flatteringly referred to Taylor as "a beast," but another competing executive opined that Toronto would be unwise to deal with Philly and fail to come away without either Drabek or Jason Knapp, another pitching prospect. Yet another exec says they absolutely have to receive outfielder Dominic Brown if they can't get Drabek. In any case, the Phillies appear to be drawing a line below Drabek, and with them starting to run away in the NL East thanks to nine straight victories, it's almost understandable. Their need doesn't appear to be quite so urgent now.

Meanwhile, the Jays were getting nowhere with the Mets, whose interest in Halladay may be tempered by the fact that they aren't exactly in the thick of the race. Sources indicate that the Mets rebuffed a request of top outfield prospect Fernando Martinez, young pitchers Jon Niese and Bobby Parnell plus talented young shortstop prospect Ruben Tejada. A Mets person said several days ago that they are intent on doing anything to avoid "mortgaging our future," although two competing executives suggested the Mets should either do that deal or try to rework it slightly. In any case, it appears that the Mets' prospect list isn't as thin as some suggest, as even in that proposal they'd be keeping top young pitchers Jenrry Mejia and Brad Holt and shortstop prodigy Wilmer Flores.

The point may be moot since Halladay, who has suggested it's time for him to try to win, might not be eager to accept a trade to a team such as the Mets that is nine games out in its division while also trailing eight other teams in the wild-card race. Mets execs understand that, considering their dreadful injury situation, their team isn't just one player away this year. However, one important thing Halladay could do for the Mets is help them change the season's dreary story of pain and suffering, if only for a while.

philliesr98 wrote:more junk to make us seem like we need to get rid of drabek or the mets might get halladay....

i will listen to nothing i read until the deadline is over

Trent Steele wrote:uh oh

The latest word from a source familiar with Philadelphia's thinking is that the front-running Phillies have decided they will not include top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek in a four-player package for superstar pitcher Roy Halladay, perhaps raising the chances that Halladay will be dealt elsewhere or maybe even stay with the Jays. The Phillies are believed to have told Toronto of their Drabek decision, but if they haven't yet they will inform the Jays very soon.

Philadelphia has a bevy of respectable prospects, but opinions around baseball vary as to how decent the deal might be for Toronto without the inclusion of Drabek. The two teams have been discussing prospects, including outfielder Michael Taylor, shortstop Jason Donald and pitcher Carlos Carrasco. One AL exec flatteringly referred to Taylor as "a beast," but another competing executive opined that Toronto would be unwise to deal with Philly and fail to come away without either Drabek or Jason Knapp, another pitching prospect. Yet another exec says they absolutely have to receive outfielder Dominic Brown if they can't get Drabek. In any case, the Phillies appear to be drawing a line below Drabek, and with them starting to run away in the NL East thanks to nine straight victories, it's almost understandable. Their need doesn't appear to be quite so urgent now.

Meanwhile, the Jays were getting nowhere with the Mets, whose interest in Halladay may be tempered by the fact that they aren't exactly in the thick of the race. Sources indicate that the Mets rebuffed a request of top outfield prospect Fernando Martinez, young pitchers Jon Niese and Bobby Parnell plus talented young shortstop prospect Ruben Tejada. A Mets person said several days ago that they are intent on doing anything to avoid "mortgaging our future," although two competing executives suggested the Mets should either do that deal or try to rework it slightly. In any case, it appears that the Mets' prospect list isn't as thin as some suggest, as even in that proposal they'd be keeping top young pitchers Jenrry Mejia and Brad Holt and shortstop prodigy Wilmer Flores.

The point may be moot since Halladay, who has suggested it's time for him to try to win, might not be eager to accept a trade to a team such as the Mets that is nine games out in its division while also trailing eight other teams in the wild-card race. Mets execs understand that, considering their dreadful injury situation, their team isn't just one player away this year. However, one important thing Halladay could do for the Mets is help them change the season's dreary story of pain and suffering, if only for a while.

Heyman

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... ily.scoop/

Trent Steele wrote:

philliesr98 wrote:more junk to make us seem like we need to get rid of drabek or the mets might get halladay....

i will listen to nothing i read until the deadline is over

I don't buy the Mets stuff, but the Phillies thing seems pretty definitive.

Taylor, Knapp, Marson, Donald?

JFLNYC wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

philliesr98 wrote:more junk to make us seem like we need to get rid of drabek or the mets might get halladay....

i will listen to nothing i read until the deadline is over

I don't buy the Mets stuff, but the Phillies thing seems pretty definitive.

Taylor, Knapp, Marson, Donald?

If I were JPR, I'd do that deal with maybe another tweak, like adding Savery or Bastardo. But that's partly because I think Knapp may end up being better than Drabek.

The one constant in all this seems to be that if Drabek is included, there's a deal, if not, there's no deal. Everyone is wondering which side will blink first, but there's a real possibility that neither side will blink.

It's a very tough situation right now for Rube. No one wants to negotiate against himself. I hope he gets it done, but I wouldn't blame him for walking away.