Monty kills the Halladay hard on

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:47:41

part 3 of the saga begins here.

Rumors and rumblings: The Blue Jays continue to shop right-hander Roy Halladay, and indications are that the Phillies are not as hot on him as has been reported, and that the Angels may be the frontrunners. GM J.P. Ricciardi is also willing to trade Halladay inside the division, which means the Red Sox will be in the hunt, and the Yankees are expected to be, too, despite indications to the contrary. The White Sox and Dodgers might be dark-horse contenders, as well as the Rangers, despite owner Tom Hicks’ financial problems. …

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=9254

“We want to do everything we can to repeat, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we do the most popular thing,” Montgomery said. “A lot of our game is to look in the mirror and be very candid to understand what you see there. We have to be candid in assessing not only our big-league talent, but also our minor-league talent.”

yeah well, gettem next year.

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:50:07

No one at BP has any sources for this kind of stuff. Complete BS.

by **philliesphhan** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:51:13

Gillick is there today to watch Halladay. The Phillies wouldn't send him there if we weren't interested.

by **kruker** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:51:28

philliesphhan wrote:Gillick is in Toronto today, so it doesn't make any sense that we would have lost interest.

by **VFB** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:51:42

Drabek's next start is listed as TBD

by **Woody** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:54:39

philliesphhan wrote:Gillick is there today to watch Halladay. The Phillies wouldn't send him there if we weren't interested.

Well of course we're interested. But that's like saying the average guy is interested in nailing Jessica Alba. It's all a question of whether you have the game to accomplish it

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:56:18

My guess, and this is pure speculation, is that Gillick was sent to Toronto to basically explain to Toronto what we're willing to give up, and that we won't really waiver from it, so if they are interested in working on something around our parameters, we're willing, but if not, then we'll move on. Why else would they send Gillick? He knows all about Halladay, you don't need to see one start, and hes not an active scout. He's there to negotiate.

Or buy artwork for his wife's gallery

by **Didn't I?** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 13:57:13

Woody wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:Gillick is there today to watch Halladay. The Phillies wouldn't send him there if we weren't interested.

Well of course we're interested. But that's like saying the average guy is interested in nailing Jessica Alba. It's all a question of whether you have the game to accomplish it

Nothing would be untouchable, that's for sure.

by **CrashburnAlley** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 14:00:28

I think it's good that the Phillies have gotten on a hot streak as the trade deadline has approached because it means they're not as visibly desperate for improvement, removing a lot of leverage from the Blue Jays. It's not like teams are lining up around the block for a chance to get Halladay; it's the Phillies and a couple other teams with muted interest.

Whether it's a facade is up for debate, but it's not like the Jays can flip the Phillies off and say they are confident they'll get what they want from someone else. At this point, I think the Phillies can tell the Jays what they're willing to give up and the Jays can take it or leave it. It's unlikely that a rational offer from the Phillies will be matched by anyone else.

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 14:03:00

Halladay's settled in

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 14:06:07

JP on WEEI today. Floppy, since he's in Boston, go talk to him.

http://audio.weei.com/m/25364809/jp-ric ... ays-gm.htm

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 14:10:13

hes a smug douche. id punch him if i saw him

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 14:27:11

I think I saw Gillick behind home plate

by **S2D** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:02:22

7.0 IP 83 pitches against a top 3 offense.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:11:56

I saw this thread title and I felt like a got hit in the stomach. Can't wait till they actually don't get him.

by **mstein88** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:13:31

Warszawa wrote:I saw this thread title and I felt like a got hit in the stomach. Can't wait till they actually don't get him.

Yeah ... kind of a ridiculous thread title.

by **FTN** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:14:53

mstein!!!

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:15:09

Maybe we shouldn't be interested. If we get Halladay, he's going to replace Happ in the rotation once Pedro is ready (Don't kid yourself: Moyer's not coming out of the rotation). Realistically, can you really expect Halladay to pitch better than Happ? Happ's winning practically every game he starts and is pitching deep into games.

The arguments for Halladay/against Happ are twofold:

1. Happ's peripherals suggest he's pitching over his head; and
2. You want Halladay for the post-season.

Maybe Happ's peripherals will get better instead of worse. Maybe he's just coming into his own (he's about the right age) and he's got the minor league credentials to back up his success.

As far as the post-season is concerned, there are plenty of examples of great pitchers who struggled at times in the post-season, especially early in their post-season careers: Steve Carlton, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux and even our own Pedro Martinez struggled at times.

I love Hallday, but I'm just sayin'. . .

by **philliesphhan** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:16:00

Realistically, can you really expect Halladay to pitch better than Happ?

YES

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 15:16:04

JFLNYC wrote: Realistically, can you really expect Halladay to pitch better than Happ?

I think you know the answer to that question

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