FTN wrote:mstein!!!

Just sayin', homes.

next season as well, halladay>>>>>happ

maybe Blanton is the guy we trade then?

Going for the complete game. Would be his 4th.

also, they would 100% find a way to keep happ in the rotation if they got halladay right now... he's clearly our best pitcher currently.

I could easily see Blanton moved, even though Moyer is the guy who should come out of the rotation.

Movement on Halladay's fastball is ridiculous

mstien has a pretty good history of threads he's posted in, huh?

FTN wrote:Movement on Halladay's fastball is ridiculous

Completely over-matches Ortiz, Bay and Ellsbury.

I should have asked: "Can you realistically expect Halladay to pitch better than Happ has? Coming into today's start, Happ's ERA+ is 148. That's Halladay-like (154 & 151 last year and this). So Halladay's probably not going to pitch much better than Happ has. Of course you can't expect Happ to keep up the same pace, but what if he comes close to it?

Maybe Floppy's right and we should be shopping Blanton. The problem is you're not going to know about Pedro until after the trade deadline. If Pedro sucks, you're going to be sorry you gave up Blanton.

Look, I want Halladay, too. I've been saying so for over a year. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if the Phils are having second thoughts.

Ace Rothstein wrote:howard hitting for happ

He has to catch a plane to Toronto.

Happ also has 21.2 innings out of the bullpen where his ERA was half a run lower than as a starter.

I would be interested in seeing if Michael Wuertz is available.

After today's performance, it wouldnt shock me if they changed their minds again, if they were doubting it at all.

The problem is, our rotation has been reasonably good for the last 6 weeks. Moyer is still the weakest link, but his numbers over his last 10 starts are passable (4.19 ERA) even though hes still not striking anyone out, he's at least limited the walks. He's still prone to the disaster start though.

So what do you do? Do you take Moyer out of the rotation and leave Blanton in? Do you move Blanton to the pen? Blanton's stuff seems like it might play up in relief.

Not trading for Halladay now, because Moyer's ERA has been slightly passable, seems like bad decision making. Happ is pitching over his head, but he's a quality #4/5, and unlike Blanton and Moyer, will be cheap next year.

If it were me making the decision, I'd move one of Moyer/Blanton to the pen, keep Happ, trade for Halladay, and then have insurance in case Pedro gets hurt. Of course, the Jays might want Happ. Who knows

JFLNYC wrote:I should have asked: "Can you realistically expect Halladay to pitch better than Happ has? Coming into today's start, Happ's ERA+ is 148. That's Halladay-like (154 & 151 last year and this). So Halladay's probably not going to pitch much better than Happ has. Of course you can't expect Happ to keep up the same pace, but what if he comes close to it?

Maybe Floppy's right and we should be shopping Blanton. The problem is you're not going to know about Pedro until after the trade deadline. If Pedro sucks, you're going to be sorry you gave up Blanton.

Look, I want Halladay, too. I've been saying so for over a year. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if the Phils are having second thoughts.

I don't know, but that's not really the right question.

The right question(s) is: (1) whether Halladay is more likely than Happ to pitch to a 150 ERA+ going forward; and (2) whether Halladay is more likely to win Game 2 of the NLDS, 2 games in the NLCS and 2/3 games in the World Series.

Yes and Yes.

CG, 105 pitches, 6 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 7 Ks

why would you pitch halladay in game 2 of the nlds after having him pitch game 1? seems risky tbh.

z ipper wrote:why would you pitch halladay in game 2 of the nlds after having him pitch game 1? seems risky tbh.

even Roy stands in line behind the NLCS and WS MVP

the princess won't go on three days, roy will. you start him in all game 1's.