Halladay is on the block, fyi

by **GMAN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 13:56:13

FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business

Oh he wants out, he's just not being an ass about it. Just listen to him talk. The guy is dying to play for a winner.

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 13:57:08

GMAN wrote:
FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business
Oh he wants out, he's just not being an ass about it. Just listen to him talk. The guy is dying to play for a winner.

See, I know for a fact that he hasn't asked to be traded.

by **The Dude** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 13:58:48

I think you're saying different things. I think Halladay would welcome a trade and does want to play for a better team, but I don't think he initiated this whole process

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:00:03

FTN wrote:
GMAN wrote:
FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business
Oh he wants out, he's just not being an ass about it. Just listen to him talk. The guy is dying to play for a winner.

See, I know for a fact that he hasn't asked to be traded.

Not asking and not wanting are two different things, Flop. Maybe he's the kind of guy who wouldn't have asked, but now that they've brought it up, he wants out. The people who say he "wants" out are, of course, only speculating, whereas I guess you have actual knowledge of the situation (if so, get us more!), but in his interviews lately he has sounded like a man who has accepted that he will be traded and is now getting excited about playing for a shot at a title.

by **Brantt** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:00:19

FTN wrote:
GMAN wrote:
FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business
Oh he wants out, he's just not being an ass about it. Just listen to him talk. The guy is dying to play for a winner.

See, I know for a fact that he hasn't asked to be traded.

I think he is too classy to actually ask for a trade, but he obviously wants a shot a winning a championship.

by **FTN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:02:14

The Dude wrote:I think you're saying different things. I think Halladay would welcome a trade and does want to play for a better team, but I don't think he initiated this whole process

Yeah. He never said "trade me", he said he'd be willing to go.

by **thephan** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:03:09

Brantt wrote:I think he is too classy to actually ask for a trade, but he obviously wants a shot a winning a championship.

+1

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:05:20

thephan wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Phils aren't taking either Wells or Rolen. My guess is only the Yankees could (or would). Frankly, the Yanks could use another OF (Wells), so the cost is the only issue. If that's the key for JP, the Yanks have the advantage. If the Angels are willing to part with Weaver (which I seriously doubt), the Angels have the advantage. Those are the X factors to me. Otherwise, I don't see anyone topping the Phils' package of prospects and I don't believe the crap that the Phils won't take on Halladay's salary for the rest of the year.

All that being said, I view the Yanks as serious competition because they could use an OF and have the money, if they really, really want to do it. If he can unload Wells' contract, I think JP will trade within the division.

Who says that Halladay would need to have his pay taken on by the Jays?

Huh?

by **scottdg** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:20:05

FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business

I know what he has said. I am saying that the man I heard on the radio this morning sounds like someone who has not only come to grips with the business aspect of it but is looking forward to getting out of town and going to a contender. Once that is in his head I don't think there is any turning back for the Jays.

by **cshort** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:26:50

scottdg wrote:
FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business

I know what he has said. I am saying that the man I heard on the radio this morning sounds like someone who has not only come to grips with the business aspect of it but is looking forward to getting out of town and going to a contender. Once that is in his head I don't think there is any turning back for the Jays.

Agreed. A few days ago, he didn't want to talk about it at all, and now he's openly discussing it when asked. While he'd like to stay in Toronto, he's a realist, and wants to make the best of a bad situation.

by **GMAN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:30:22

Brantt wrote:
FTN wrote:
GMAN wrote:
FTN wrote:
scottdg wrote:hearing Halladay's remarks the past couple days it not only sounds like he is willing to accept a trade but he would welcome it. In fact the quote I heard this morning on the radio almost sounded like he wanted out and liked the idea of going where he can win a championship. So it is no longer an issue of whether or not he will be traded, only where he will be traded.

I agree that nobody will take on the Wells contract and Ricciardi isn't in a position where he could get away with not getting maximum return for Halladay.

What are the Phillies options if they don't get Halladay? I have heard Haren's name mentioned but has Arizona said if he is definitely available or not?

He doesn't want out. He'd never explicitly ask for a trade. Hes open to a deal because he respects Toronto and understands that its a business
Oh he wants out, he's just not being an ass about it. Just listen to him talk. The guy is dying to play for a winner.

See, I know for a fact that he hasn't asked to be traded.

I think he is too classy to actually ask for a trade, but he obviously wants a shot a winning a championship.

Bingo. He's not going to the media and crying about it, but I am sure he has let them know he would LOVE to play for a winner.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:44:46

JFLNYC wrote:Phils aren't taking either Wells or Rolen. My guess is only the Yankees could (or would). Frankly, the Yanks could use another OF (Wells), so the cost is the only issue. If that's the key for JP, the Yanks have the advantage. If the Angels are willing to part with Weaver (which I seriously doubt), the Angels have the advantage. Those are the X factors to me. Otherwise, I don't see anyone topping the Phils' package of prospects and I don't believe the crap that the Phils won't take on Halladay's salary for the rest of the year.

All that being said, I view the Yanks as serious competition because they could use an OF and have the money, if they really, really want to do it. If he can unload Wells' contract, I think JP will trade within the division.

Have the latest (ie 2008) Forbes "Business of Baseball" numbers been published yet? The last ones I saw (2007 season) had the Yankees operating in the red. Sure things have changed (new stadium, contracts coming off the books, etc.), but we might not be able to assume they have the proverbial bottomless wallet.

* I don't keep tabs on the Yankees, just remember this because I was kinda surprised to see the Yankees were in the red at the time... the only MLB team in the red.

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 14:49:44

Is it possible the Yankees as a separate organization are in the red, but the YES network more than makes up for it? That's my guess

by **PA_Dan** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:00:26

Odds from the Toronto Sun...

ANGELS 5-2

Infielder Brandon Wood, a pitching prospect like Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden. Will Halladay go to the coast? Former GM Bill Stoneman was not known for deadline deals but GM Tony Reagins, added Mark Teixeira at the deadline last year.

YANKEES 3-1

Yankees may be a third-place team, according to one scout who saw them in Anahiem. Yankees are looking at Ian Snell (Pirates). They need a starter. Yanks could move Phil Hughes, plus prospects.

CARDINALS 9-2

Secret weapon: Chris Carpenter can sell his pal Halladay on playing in St. Louis. Players usually rate St. Louis the best city to play in.

PHILLIES 4-1

Training in Clearwater means 10 weeks at the Halladay home in Oldsmar, Fla. Phils say they have prospects but talk is that the Jays don't like them, or rather the ones they'll move. The Jays like J.A. Happ, who has been better than Cole Hamels. Shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson have been mentioned.

BREWERS 4-1

They have a need and they have prospects: Infielders Alcides Escobar, Mat Gamel and Brett Lawrie, plus catcher Angel Salome.

Zolecki says...

That is what this is about: the prospects. Who do the Blue Jays want? Who are the Phillies willing to give up? Halladay's contract is not an issue.

by **GMAN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:04:09

ek wrote:well that pretty much throws Miller's assertions out the door

You should know better than to believe a tabloid journalist like Miller. There was no chance he knew something that everybody else did not.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:06:26

Donald, Marson, Happ would be awesome. I know it isn't saying that but it is nice to dream.

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:08:54

I can totally visualize Halladay pitching in a Cardinals uniform, and his personality seems a perfect fit for them, so it's an annoying though. I've heard people say they don't have the horses in their system to land him but JP Ricciardi could be a dumbass

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:15:38

Woody wrote:I can totally visualize Halladay pitching in a Cardinals uniform, and his personality seems a perfect fit for them, so it's an annoying though. I've heard people say they don't have the horses in their system to land him but JP Ricciardi could be a dumbass

If that's the case, Amaro better throw Bruntlett into the mix.

by **S2D** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:22:01

I absolutely hate the Cardinals.

I hate when they get great (improbable) production from stiffs like Ryan Franklin, Joel Pinero, and Ryan Ludwick. I hate the fawning and obsessing over their barely average guys, like Skip Schumaker and Yadier Molina. I hate Tony LaRussa. If they get Halladay, I won't hate him them less.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 15:45:57

momadance wrote:Waaa. Wade wanted to beat me up!

Ed Wade... skydiving :?: :?: :shock:

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