My bizarre Roy Halladay obsession

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:03:27

CrashburnAlley wrote:
stevemc wrote:So just to play devil's advocate, wouldn't a Halladay acquisition doom us to not repeat as WFC? The last top of the rotation pitcher acquired at the trade deadline that helped his team go on to win the WS was. . .?

I always cringe when I hear this reasoning. It's not as if there's some spooky curse on so-called ace pitchers where, if they are traded, are doomed to miss out on winning a championship.

The playoffs are a crapshoot, really. That's why the 83-win Cardinals were able to power their way through the playoffs a few years ago.

Essentially, all you want to do is increase your probability of winning. Upgrading your pitching staff with a #1 pitcher like Halladay goes a long way towards increasing those odds; the Phillies become a whole lot tougher to beat in the playoffs.

On a side note, Joe Blanton could be considered a "top of the rotation pitcher acquired at the trade deadline". Of course, it was the Oakland Athletics' rotation, in which Adam Eaton could have been a #3.

I understand that you have to do everything you can to win especially when you have a core like ours. And I think adding a Halladay brings us a championship. Whether it's this year or next, I don't know but I do believe they should go for him. I just find it extremely odd that there isn't a single recent example of this type of move working. To be honest, I think Gillick sort of believed in this approach/methodology/superstition.

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:04:07

i had roughly 3 dreams last night about acquiring roy halladay.

so lets make this happen

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:06:36

stevemc wrote:
Woody wrote:
stevemc wrote:So just to play devil's advocate, wouldn't a Halladay acquisition doom us to not repeat as WFC? The last top of the rotation pitcher acquired at the trade deadline that helped his team go on to win the WS was. . .?

Randy Johnson had an okay run in Arizona

Free agent signing by the D-Backs.

Sorry, I forgot about his pitstop in Houston

by **traderdave** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:07:28

jamiethekiller wrote:i had roughly 3 dreams last night about acquiring roy halladay.

so lets make this happen

I have guys in my fantasy league coming out of the woodwork with offers to me for Halladay b/c they think he is going to end up a Phillie. Latest offer was Longoria and Kazmir so maybe Rube can use that as a guide - LOL!

by **traderdave** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:09:59

For the prospect experts here (in terms of the Rangers-Braves deal):

Does Marson = Saltalamacchia?
Donald > Andrus?
I'll assume Drabek > than all of Jones, Feliz, Harrison but what about
Carrarsco, Happ, Savery?

by **Grotewold** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:11:57

jamiethekiller wrote:i had roughly 3 dreams last night about acquiring roy halladay.

"acquiring"

by **Grotewold** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:56:55

Jim Salisbury writes that "someone in Amaro's inner circle" told him Amaro heard from Ricciardi Monday that Halladay is available, and that he's "serious" in his pursuit.

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 09:57:59

That someone in the inner circle was Eric Bruntlett

by **Bakestar** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:04:07

Woody wrote:That someone in the inner circle was Eric Bruntlett

The identities those in Ruben Amaro's "inner circle" would be a great BSG Family Feud board...

by **Grotewold** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:11:53

Buster Heyman reporting Halladay gave Ricciardi the green light to deal him.

Murphy says a friend of Hallady's described him as "shy" but said he would probably go to Philly, NY, Boston, etc.

Sent from my Cricket

by **Soren** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:32:48

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:32:57

Matt Stairs' eyes lit up when he fantasized about the possibility of being reunited with his former Toronto teammate.

"He's the best pitcher in the American League, probably the best pitcher in the majors," Stairs said. "He'd give us another horse. We'd be a lot more dangerous. He'd give us two No. 1 guys with [Cole] Hamels.

"Roy is like a Chase Utley. He's intense. He gets to the park early. He works his ass off. He watches games and studies hitters. Jamie Moyer prepares for starts well. It would be a battle to see who prepares better.

"It's going to cost an awful lot to get him. I would do it. But that's coming from me because I played with him and I know what he's all about."

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:34:50

just driiiiiiiive the price up why dont ya

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:35:06

Olney says in his espn videoblog that a deal would look something like Happ, Drabek & Donald.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4311661

by **Soren** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:37:37

stevemc wrote:Olney says in his espn videoblog that a deal would look something like Happ, Drabek & Donald.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story.id=4311661

Can I have some of what Olney has been smoking? Holy fuck that must be good stuff.

by **thephan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:38:14

stevemc wrote:Olney says in his espn videoblog that a deal would look something like Happ, Drabek & Donald.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story.id=4311661

I think there needs to be a pick list, not an all. I am sure that the Jays would like to have us trade Reading to them for King Roy. It is a desperate market for a top arm, but that is too much.

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:40:21

thephan wrote:
stevemc wrote:Olney says in his espn videoblog that a deal would look something like Happ, Drabek & Donald.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story.id=4311661

I think there needs to be a pick list, not an all. I am sure that the Jays would like to have us trade Reading to them for King Roy. It is a desperate market for a top arm, but that is too much.

I don't think their request of Happ, Drabek & Donald is too much to be honest. I wouldn't want to do it neccesarily but I don't think it's a crazy request.

by **phatj** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:42:00

stevemc wrote:
thephan wrote:
stevemc wrote:Olney says in his espn videoblog that a deal would look something like Happ, Drabek & Donald.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story.id=4311661

I think there needs to be a pick list, not an all. I am sure that the Jays would like to have us trade Reading to them for King Roy. It is a desperate market for a top arm, but that is too much.

I don't think their request of Happ, Drabek & Donald is too much to be honest. I wouldn't want to do it neccesarily but I don't think it's a crazy request.

Agreed. I think I'd do it, too.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:44:47

I saw some speculation that the Phils would also get Joe Bautista in the deal, which makes some sense.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:46:52

If it happens, I suspect the price is going to be even higher. My guess is that it will take Happ, Drabek & Donald plus another player (Marson?) to get it done.

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