Nascar thread OT (nobody cares)

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:03:26

it's a vehicular homicide that warrants further investigation. my usage of "murderer" is colloquial. Apologies to you criminal defense lawyers on the board

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:07:26

Barry Jive wrote:it's a vehicular homicide that warrants further investigation. my usage of "murderer" is colloquial. Apologies to you criminal defense lawyers on the board

No it's not

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:10:51

agree to disagree that a professional driver hitting a person and killing them is not a vehicular homicide

by **WilliamC** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:19:04

Stewart is one of the best track racers to have ever lived also and probably sees close to everything so I do have a lot of trouble buying that he didn't see him at all. The best theory I think I've heard is probably that he revved his engine(you can hear that) and kicked his tires trying to scare Ward and didn't realize just how close he had got. Still sounds bad for him but highly doubt anything can be proven from that.

by **BigEd76** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:25:17

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero said his department's investigation is not criminal and that Stewart was "fully cooperative" and appeared "very upset" over what had happened.

"He was visibly shaken by this accident. ... This is right now being investigated as an on-track crash and I don't want to infer that there are criminal charges pending. When the investigation is completed, we will sit down with the district attorney and review it. But I want to make it very clear: there are no criminal charges pending at this time."

by **drsmooth** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:25:25

A melange of senseless tragedy. Stewart's a reckless guy, with a history of reckless behavior. Dirt track racers are not the most sensible humans. The kid darting out on the track, all macho-y, was stupidly reckless.

auto racing in the 21st century ffs embodies all the good sense of private AR-14 ownership.

If you're a family member of the kid who was killed, you want charges brought, but some manslaughter variant may be the most you could expect, and probably low odds on that outcome.

For my money, the word "manslaughter" sounds much worse than "murder"

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:37:16

WilliamC wrote:Stewart is one of the best track racers to have ever lived also and probably sees close to everything so I do have a lot of trouble buying that he didn't see him at all. The best theory I think I've heard is probably that he revved his engine(you can hear that) and kicked his tires trying to scare Ward and didn't realize just how close he had got. Still sounds bad for him but highly doubt anything can be proven from that.

If I had to make a guess I'd agree with this

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:38:20

Manslaughter vs. murder doesn't matter all that much either, I don't think Stewart will see any charges because of the nature of the incident. Sports are basically untouchable

by **CalvinBall** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:42:30

Can we even be sure Stewart revved his engine? There are a bunch of other cars on the track and were are basing that assumption off a fan video shot form 200 yards away.

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:43:44

no but the apparent possibility means it's something they should probably look into

by **The Savior** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:45:49

Barry Jive wrote:Manslaughter vs. murder doesn't matter all that much either, I don't think Stewart will see any charges because of the nature of the incident. Sports are basically untouchable

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:47:48

Where's the "always blame the victim" square

by **drsmooth** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:48:25

Barry Jive wrote:Manslaughter vs. murder doesn't matter all that much either, I don't think Stewart will see any charges because of the nature of the incident. Sports are basically untouchable

If this were Kentucky maybe not. it's New York, so I'm not so sure.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:49:40

Barry Jive wrote:Where's the "always blame the victim" square

Next to assume he's guilty

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:50:25

I'd be really surprised but we'll see. This isn't as demonstrably vindictive as, say, Marty McSorley swinging a stick at Donald Brashear's head

by **The Savior** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:52:34

due process. it's a helluva thing.

by **CalvinBall** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:53:42

Victims in accidents can share some of the blame.

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:53:51

Ace Rothstein wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:Where's the "always blame the victim" square

Next to assume he's guilty

I take fault for muddling homicide and murder but this is a homicide whether Stewart is actually guilty of anything or not. I'm not jumping to conclusions by saying Stewart killed a man with his car. That's a fact.

by **Barry Jive** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:56:04

CalvinBall wrote:Victims in accidents can share some of the blame.

It's a counterproductive line of thinking to start there and work backwards, but that's how most of these arguments start (not just here, everywhere). Saying someone was responsible for the death of another person is not the application of guilt

by **The Savior** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:57:43

first statement grounded in reason from you today

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