2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping roles

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Postby 76erfan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 16:57:15

if he wins his service time grieveance- he is a free agent in one year. if he loses its two years. hard to trade for him now til you know that answer
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 16:57:31

What’s this service time issue? He’s under team control for 2 more seasons then a FA, correct?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 16:58:41

76erfan wrote:if he wins his service time grieveance- he is a free agent in one year. if he loses its two years. hard to trade for him now til you know that answer

If it’s 2 years, that’s a slam dunk absolutely trade. If it’s 1-year, we shouldn’t have to give up as much but I would still give him a lot of monies
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 76erfan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 16:59:20

heyman speculating you could have trade agreement in place with either scenario in theory
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:01:06

Well now we are talking
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MFP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:05:05

Bryant would be really interesting in this lineup for sure but...

I still think I'd rather just pay for Rendon and then use whatever trade chips you'd have used for Bryant to try to land a pitcher.

If you get the sense that Rendon is dead set on going elsewhere, then sure. Go for it.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:07:39

I didn’t realize that the cubs brought Bryant up the day after he would have qualified for his extra service year. That’s hilarious.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby LongDrive » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:08:08

Not doing any deal unless Javier Baez is included.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Shore » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:08:17

Since Kris Bryant is my favorite non-Phillie, I can’t be impartial.

That said, I’d trade our minor league system for 2 years of Bryant.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby momadance » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:08:35

MoBettle wrote:I didn’t realize that the cubs brought Bryant up the day after he would have qualified for his extra service year. That’s hilarious.


Yeah. Boras threw a huge fit.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 76erfan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:09:35

He and Harper are best friends.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:10:57

MFP wrote:Bryant would be really interesting in this lineup for sure but...

I still think I'd rather just pay for Rendon and then use whatever trade chips you'd have used for Bryant to try to land a pitcher.

If you get the sense that Rendon is dead set on going elsewhere, then sure. Go for it.

I get what you are saying and that’s fine to want to do, but Bryant is fantastic. I’d rather have Bryant, even at the cost of prospects plus a huge contract. If they traded for him and wanted to upgrade pitching, offer Cole something substantial. All of this really comes down to our tax implications. Are we paying it or not? Act like a big market team and go get great players
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby mcare89 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:12:14

MFP wrote:Bryant would be really interesting in this lineup for sure but...

I still think I'd rather just pay for Rendon and then use whatever trade chips you'd have used for Bryant to try to land a pitcher.

If you get the sense that Rendon is dead set on going elsewhere, then sure. Go for it.

Yeah, this is where I am. It seems silly, and that's coming from someone who loves Kris Bryant. Bryant's only a year and a half younger, and whether it's one year or two, I would assume whatever price you pay, you pay with the intention of re-signing him, at which point he's going to get paid a pretty similar price to what Rendon gets now, give or take a few million. You're going over the tax line if you get either one of them, so I don't really see what the benefit of Bryant is until Rendon is off the market.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby SCPhillyPhan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:16:19

"I would have liked to have had that chance. Just once. To stare down a big league pitcher. To stare him down, and just as he goes into his windup, wink."

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:19:10

mcare89 wrote:
MFP wrote:Bryant would be really interesting in this lineup for sure but...

I still think I'd rather just pay for Rendon and then use whatever trade chips you'd have used for Bryant to try to land a pitcher.

If you get the sense that Rendon is dead set on going elsewhere, then sure. Go for it.

Yeah, this is where I am. It seems silly, and that's coming from someone who loves Kris Bryant. Bryant's only a year and a half younger, and whether it's one year or two, I would assume whatever price you pay, you pay with the intention of re-signing him, at which point he's going to get paid a pretty similar price to what Rendon gets now, give or take a few million. You're going over the tax line if you get either one of them, so I don't really see what the benefit of Bryant is until Rendon is off the market.


They may like Bryant because it’s more realistic to add him and fill out the roster to some extent while staying under the tax in 2020. He’s projected at 18.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby mcare89 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:21:41

MoBettle wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
MFP wrote:Bryant would be really interesting in this lineup for sure but...

I still think I'd rather just pay for Rendon and then use whatever trade chips you'd have used for Bryant to try to land a pitcher.

If you get the sense that Rendon is dead set on going elsewhere, then sure. Go for it.

Yeah, this is where I am. It seems silly, and that's coming from someone who loves Kris Bryant. Bryant's only a year and a half younger, and whether it's one year or two, I would assume whatever price you pay, you pay with the intention of re-signing him, at which point he's going to get paid a pretty similar price to what Rendon gets now, give or take a few million. You're going over the tax line if you get either one of them, so I don't really see what the benefit of Bryant is until Rendon is off the market.


They may like Bryant because it’s more realistic to add him and fill out the roster to some extent while staying under the tax in 2020. He’s projected at 18.

I agree that would be the logic, but I'm just at the point with this team where if you're trying to stay under the tax in 2020, you're going to hurt yourself in some way. Either you're not going to be good enough now, or you're going to compound the problem by continuing to hurt yourself later (i.e. trading prospects). The only way to alleviate that push and pull is either finding a true diamond in the rough for cheap, or by wallpapering over the holes with cash.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby WhiteyFan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:22:19

I think there's a good chance some people are gonna be letdown by our actual opening day 3B.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 76erfan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:23:10

likely 3b is probably kingery with didi at SS and segura at 2b but we can dream, right?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:28:24

Man, Klentak looks pretty smart nabbing Wheeler on that deal.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Mon Dec 09, 2019 17:48:52

76erfan wrote:He and Harper are best friends.

How many best friends does Bryce have?
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