joe girardi is a phillies manager

Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:44:48

CFP wrote:Milty is gonna be pissed!

:lol:

Not pissed, kinda meh. Don't think he's a great fit but we'll see if he's evolved. Roster changes are more key now. More later, probably.

Girardi is to managers as Jake was to FA pitchers.
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby WilliamC » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:48:34

:s: :s: :s: :s: :h:
Do it again!

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby heyeaglefn » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:53:48

LastTrain wrote:
The Sarge wrote:Good, now all they need is a new bullpen, 3 new starters, and at least 2 big offensive pieces.


2 big offensive pieces: McCutchen and Rendon

3 new starters: Houston and Washington are in the WS with 2 stud SPs and a 3rd good SP they are only counting on for 4-5 IP at a time. Sign one stud SP (G Cole ideally, obviously) and the SP situation might be OK if Arrieta is healthy as the #3.

Bullpen is an issue, but there's enough luck in bullpen performance year in and year out I would definitely not seek to solve it in free agency.

Sign Cole and Rendon and 2020 is a very fun season. Unfortunately the likelihood of signing either, let alone both is slim. It would require a willingness to blow the cap, which perhaps Middleton is willing to do but we haven't seen yet from the Phils. It would also require a willingness for a stud FA SP to choose Philly...which outside of Lee hasn't happened except through extension (and CHoP probably had a ton of influence on Lee's decision).

Hope Girardi is a good recruiter.

I doubt there is money to do that.

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby azrider » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:56:35

i like him. unlike in ny, i think he will have a short shelf life here. i think gabe's development as a manager was behind the team and it's expectations. i think joe's is the opposite. he's going to help right away and bring a little experience and respect. he will call out klentak, and i think that's good. but with that, i do think, that after whatever initial success he has, when he seems to slip a little, they won't ride it out with him.

i thought maddon was the guy to get. i grade G out as a b+ hire.

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Bill McNeal » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:57:11

Agree on everything but expecting Arrieta to be healthy or a #3, I'd plan on not expecting anything from him and try to find another mid/back end rotation guy then if Arietta gives you anything it's a bonus or insurance for someone else underperforming.
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby BatFlipsFTW » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:17:31

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Girardi was said to have really hit it off w/Phillies owner John Middleton, GM Matt Klentak and others in interviews there. Word is he also liked freedom he’ll have in making out lineup cards and other moves, which isn’t the case everywhere #PhiladelphiaFreedom
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Two names to watch for Phillies pitching coach. Dave Eiland and Larry Rothschild. Both were former Girardi pitching coaches with NYY. Rothschild has year left on NYY deal, but NYY could make changes on staff.


I mean I think it’s a little nuts that managers aren’t allowed to MANAGE the team by, among other things, making up lineup cards. The GM’s job, and his analytics department’s job, is to assemble the best roster possible. The manager’s job is to manage the players given him, period.


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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby wiivile » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:17:45

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Phred » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:30:53

Bill McNeal wrote:Agree on everything but expecting Arrieta to be healthy or a #3, I'd plan on not expecting anything from him and try to find another mid/back end rotation guy then if Arietta gives you anything it's a bonus or insurance for someone else underperforming.


I am not really expecting much out of McCutchen next year either. I know that probably puts me in the minority and I am a big fan of his but I thought that he was toast a couple years ago and he hasn't gotten any younger.
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Bucky » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:38:15

Uncle Milty wrote:Girardi is to managers as Jake was to FA pitchers.


holy @#$% trying to make me go jump off a bridge

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:46:31

I’m happy we have a pro that brings credibility. Sign some guys, pay the tax, let’s go
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Shadow » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:04:25

This was the right choice. Now let’s hope he can get the most out of the talent that massively underachieved this season. Because after watching this postseason the Phillies are a lot closer than people thought a month ago. They have a looooooong way to go with the starting staff, but everywhere else they are leaps and bounds better than the Nationals who have the worst bullpen in the history of baseball statistically and a very average offense. Really Soto is the only “special” player they have on offense. Rendon is obviously good, but not “special,” and after that a bunch of guys named Bob.

Fix the pitching and the NL East ours once again even with the dysfunction.

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby LastTrain » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:04:47

heyeaglefn wrote:
LastTrain wrote:
The Sarge wrote:Good, now all they need is a new bullpen, 3 new starters, and at least 2 big offensive pieces.


2 big offensive pieces: McCutchen and Rendon

3 new starters: Houston and Washington are in the WS with 2 stud SPs and a 3rd good SP they are only counting on for 4-5 IP at a time. Sign one stud SP (G Cole ideally, obviously) and the SP situation might be OK if Arrieta is healthy as the #3.

Bullpen is an issue, but there's enough luck in bullpen performance year in and year out I would definitely not seek to solve it in free agency.

Sign Cole and Rendon and 2020 is a very fun season. Unfortunately the likelihood of signing either, let alone both is slim. It would require a willingness to blow the cap, which perhaps Middleton is willing to do but we haven't seen yet from the Phils. It would also require a willingness for a stud FA SP to choose Philly...which outside of Lee hasn't happened except through extension (and CHoP probably had a ton of influence on Lee's decision).

Hope Girardi is a good recruiter.

I doubt there is money to do that.


Agreed, as mentioned.

There's ~$30M to spend and stay under the cap. A non-tender for Franco adds about $6.7M and if Rendon is signed Hernandez and his $11.8M probably also go. Cole and Rendon are probably $55M against the cap, maybe more. Arrieta's $25M comes off the cap for 2021, but at that point Realmuto's a FA and Rhys hits arb. So there's no clear cut way to pay Cole and Rendon without developing a bunch of young, cheap talent all of a sudden. Not convinced they'll even make a totally serious run at one of them, though I'm sure we'll hear they are involved.
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Titlehungry » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:05:19

What happens to Show Buckwalter now?
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Grotewold » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:05:56

I wonder whether and how the Nats winning would affect Rendon

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby azrider » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:11:10

Titlehungry wrote:What happens to Show Buckwalter now?


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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby Shore » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:37:55

Shadow wrote:This was the right choice. Now let’s hope he can get the most out of the talent that massively underachieved this season. Because after watching this postseason the Phillies are a lot closer than people thought a month ago. They have a looooooong way to go with the starting staff, but everywhere else they are leaps and bounds better than the Nationals who have the worst bullpen in the history of baseball statistically and a very average offense. Really Soto is the only “special” player they have on offense. Rendon is obviously good, but not “special,” and after that a bunch of guys named Bob.

Fix the pitching and the NL East ours once again even with the dysfunction.


You're insane.

We didn't underachieve this season (unless you count injuries as underachieving), and we're not close to the Nationals, nor the Braves. You couldn't declare the Braves into being a bad team last offseason, try as you might, and you can't with them or the Nationals now. They finished 12 and 16 games ahead of us this year for reasons.

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby CFP » Thu Oct 24, 2019 13:59:54

Leaps and bounds better than the Nationals, lmao

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby philliesphhan » Thu Oct 24, 2019 14:04:08

Shadow wrote:the Nationals who have the worst bullpen in the history of baseball statistically


They're not even the worst in the National League in 2019
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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby wiivile » Thu Oct 24, 2019 14:09:43

girardi seems like a hardass to me, but he has a kind of legitimacy that should help this team. kapler being a rookie manager didn't seem like the best fit for a team with lots of young but unproven talent

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Re: joe girardi is a phillies manager

Postby The B1G Piece » Thu Oct 24, 2019 14:22:49

CFP wrote:Leaps and bounds better than the Nationals, lmao

Not special Anthony Rendon was only 6th in wOBA in all of baseball this year and 4th in fWAR since the beginning of 2017.

Shadow - you are so uninformed about baseball it's comical.

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