Going a bit out of character - If these events occurred after Gabe found out Middleton was considering firing him some of it is understandable.

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Wolfgang622 wrote:

Brantt wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:I never quite understood why the Yankees fired him and am glad to have him aboard, but the more I think about it retrospectively, the more it does very much feel like WIP fired Kapler and that really blows.

Read the Ahtletic article on Chris Young if you want to know why Kapler was fired.

Don't have a subscription, what's the gist?

Essentially, Kapler apparently didn't get along well with Rick Kranitz, to the point where there were arguments in the clubhouse on more than one occasion in 2018. When other teams came sniffing around Chris Young last offseason wanting to interview Young, Kapler and Klentak used that to push Kranitz out so they could install Young as the pitching coach since his philosophies were more in line with what Kapler/Klentak wanted. This upset many of the pitchers, who had a very good rapport with Kranitz but not much of one at all with Young. In addition, they did it later than most coaching changes typically occur, leaving Kranitz scrambling for a position (obviously eventually got one with Atlanta). Then the pitching went in the tank this season. Bad look for both Kapler and Klentak.

And today's article from Gelb indicates Kapler was all over the place.

Here is a paragraph from the article, I think that would be ok:

"But the distrust went deeper than that. After repeated pitching failures, Kapler formulated his own scouting reports from the data he valued most, according to sources. At one point during the season, Kapler began to send his version of the game plan to the next day’s pitcher and catcher without informing others. That generated some confusion in pregame meetings when the plans did not match."

sometimes there's no one way to interpret data, especially when you factor in the human element. there really has to be a certain balance and an understanding of the human factor and condition at the time. i am certainly analytics forward in my thinking towards sports, as what i do day to day is interpreting data. not everyone does it exactly the same and certainly not everyone does it to the same level of success.

much of what goes on in the clubhouse or on the field are things we should all be able to relate to in the workplace. i know some here definitely get it. but who wants their boss to be an algorithm and for their success to be based solely on numerical data? this isn't math. you have to find that balance of what and how much data you should use to be effective. sometimes it's trial and error. you really need adaptability and versatility to have continued success.

My dad texted me that Curt Schilling was going to be the new pitching coach.

WilliamC wrote:My dad texted me that Curt Schilling was going to be the new pitching coach.

my dad never fucked with me or my mom. my aunts and uncles on the hand...

azrider wrote:

WilliamC wrote:My dad texted me that Curt Schilling was going to be the new pitching coach.

my dad never fucked with me or my mom. my aunts and uncles on the hand...

My dad's side are all big Phillies fans and they try. Usually they ask me about everything. Not that I am a beacon of knowledge.

So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

Slowhand wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

I would guess that is/was an organizational philosophy. I think the Eflin stuff was mostly just frustration on his part and looking for an explanation.

Slowhand wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

When did Eflin make that change?

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Shore wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

When did Eflin make that change?

This is a good question. I was thinking the same thing when I heard that Kapler was “going rogue” with the pitching prep and wondering if that lined up with when we heard that Eflin was going back to what worked for him in the past.

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Shore wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

When did Eflin make that change?

This is a good question. I was thinking the same thing when I heard that Kapler was “going rogue” with the pitching prep and wondering if that lined up with when we heard that Eflin was going back to what worked for him in the past.

End of August...

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ ... wn-stretch

Shore wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:So the pitching sucked last year because of the way Kapler formulated data? Whew, glad that's fixed! Can't wait to see how much better our pitching is under Girardi's formulas! (and the fact that we're replacing 3/5 of our SP and our pen was riddled with injuries)

Or maybe he’ll allow them to pitch to their strengths rather than the one size fits all approach of telling every pitcher to throw high fastballs. Not saying that was totally Kapler, but certainly he endorsed it. Eflin pitched much better when he ditched that approach and went back to being more of a sinker ball pitcher.

When did Eflin make that change?

Looks like 8/24 was the first game he went back to that. Had. 2.83 ERA the rest of the way through 7 starts.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ ... wn-stretch

I’d like to know when they had him change his sinker approach to the high fast balls.

Presser at 1 today

Bucky wrote:

playboy calenders, metallica posters, and various fatheads being put up immediately.

CFP wrote:25

You are correct.

Gonna be awkward when they hire Thome to be hitting coach.