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by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 13:45:31

Okay-

Brian Raises it to 5.5K

Eric Joe and Chris all fold

Dave shrugs, says why not and calls

Duane grimaces and folds

Wes calls

Flop comes

BUT WAIT- burn card is exposed by Eric!! Burn card is shown to all as K:c:

Flop:

A:s: T:c: 6:c:

Dave checks

Wes bets 5K

Brian?

by **seke2** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:00:48

Wes would bet with AQ or AJ here too, and he'd play it exactly like this.

Probably raise to like 13k, I guess. If that gets called, slow down on later streets.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:15:09

So you're willing to commit 1/3 of your chips on the pre-flop raise and flop reraise on TPTK?

AQ & AJ are very likely yes, but AT is also very likely as is A6 from Dave. I dont think youre pushing Wes out of the hand because I dont think he has KJ or KQ or 2 clubs. I think that if you're gonna have Wes come along with you for the whole ride, you might as well drag Dave in with you for an extra bet by not raising.

by **seke2** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:17:15

On a board where any face card makes a broadway straight and you have a 2 flush and some other possible middle straight draws, you really can't afford to play slowly here. You either have to raise and commit to the hand or fold because it's going to get too expensive later in the hand for you to keep playing unimproved, and you know you're short 1 out already. And like you said, you might already be beat, so the other 3 aces might be dead outs.

I'm playing aggressively here because my opponents are weak/bad enough to pay me off when they have worse hands, I still have my rebuy, and the board is too dangerous to play slowly.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:21:50

seke2 wrote:On a board where any face card makes a broadway straight and you have a 2 flush and some other possible middle straight draws, you really can't afford to play slowly here. You either have to raise and commit to the hand or fold because it's going to get too expensive later in the hand for you to keep playing unimproved, and you know you're short 1 out already. And like you said, you might already be beat, so the other 3 aces might be dead outs.

I'm playing aggressively here because my opponents are weak/bad enough to pay me off when they have worse hands, I still have my rebuy, and the board is too dangerous to play slowly.

Okay

Brian reraises to 13K

Dave folds

Wes calls.

Turn card is T:h:

Wes checks

Brian?

by **seke2** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:29:21

wes has like 30k left, i think.

pot is ~46k?

i guess we check behind now and call any bet from wes on any river card, and bet 15k if he checks again. he's capable of checking with any T here, and if he has any other ace we're not worried now. plus we're beating A6 now too, which is a possible holding for wes, i guess, especially if its suited.

i guess this is sort of WA/WB only because i really don't think wes leads here all that often with just a draw on the flop, so i figure he's either got a worse ace or he's got a ten and we're in trouble.

so yeah, check here, and then on the river, call any size bet from wes, bet ~half his stack if he checks again because he's gonna pay you off with Ax a lot.

by **dsp** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:30:46

anyone ever play cincinnati? crazy stuff.

by **pacino** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 17:26:29

With this specific Wes I have NEVER seen him bet out a set. he would have checked. reraise his 5k 'bet'

on the turn it's a check in my mind because he certainly could've had k10 q10 j10 with the range he calls to raises preflop. check it down if another scare card comes, bet 1/3 the pot if it's safe

IMO

by **The Red Tornado** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 16:18:01

High stakes poker last night was sick sick sick.

Never did I ever think Id see Hellmuth make a play like that.

Plus Todd Brunson with the angle shooting and faking a move towards the pot- what a douche.

by **The Red Tornado** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 16:21:13

BTW- for thos who thought Salorio was insane for bluffing off 100K with 7 2, here's an account of his thought process:

Going into the hand I raised 2100 obviously hoping to pick up the pot right there, but in poker there usually is a snag one way or the other and the plan had to change. Brian raised me 10k so it was discussion time; what did he have and could I out play him post flop or should I just lay it down? At the time I figured maybe mid pair, ak, or aq so I reraise 27k to eliminate these possibilities. He just calls so the thought process continues. Now I think he has AA because any mid pair or AK or aq he mucks and KK I feel he would push. The flop comes K K 4. I pretty much ruled out most hands, I was sure I was dealing with AA so he checks and I lead out with 30k just under half the pot. He thought about the hand for at least 10 minutes before calling (they sped up his discussion in editing) so now I really feel he has AA and he has too much invested not to see if he can hit on the turn. The turn comes a 10, he checks, and now I fire 50k thinking he cannot call with AA any longer. He raises me 50k and I think for a minute. I figure out he only has 30k left and there is nothing else I could do to win the hand so I muck. Seven deuce is a crazy game. You must have balls of steel to play it and you cannot run into the stone cold nuts with it if you have to continue a post flop attack.

Just to tell how sick this seven deuce game is, I was at the Bellagio about two weeks later playing seven deuce again and I run in to quad kings. How sick is that?? I did not loose nearly as much on the hand but really…what are the odds on that?

Next weeks episode there is no more seven deuce hands for me on the show but there is anther 300k still to be bluffed off by other players. It should make for good TV.

PUBLISH BY Antonio Salorio

Give Brian Brandon credit- waiting 10 minutes to call with quads is a great move and although it sounds simple, most of us couldnt wait to shove our money in there.

by **pacino** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 22:04:11

screw what most people think, gold seems like a decent guy

by **Irish Car Bomb** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:54:40

Anyone heading to the Borgata Open next 2 weeks?

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:59:46

wish I could

by **Irish Car Bomb** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 13:17:19

Any idea why there are no sites (at least that I know of) that offer online sats for the WPT tourneys? I see Poker Stars with qualifiers for WPT in the Turks but that is it. Is it the legislation or something else? Anyone know?

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 13:30:39

Irish Car Bomb wrote:Any idea why there are no sites (at least that I know of) that offer online sats for the WPT tourneys? I see Poker Stars with qualifiers for WPT in the Turks but that is it. Is it the legislation or something else? Anyone know?

Legislation is partially to blame as I know WSOP and WPT tourneys will not accept monies from online sites for buy ins. The sats for the WSOP buyins were actually paid to the winners themselves and some just pocketed the cash instead of attending the game which accounts for a chunk of players that were missing from this years event.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 13:31:43

I know the Borgata is running sit n go sats there, maybe you can make a trip down.

(or save your money and just come to my cash game this saturday :wink:

)

by **jemagee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 13:33:33

Watching Jamie Gold get bitch slapped gave me perverse joy

by **pacino** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 20:54:20

I don't know how well HORSE is going to go over trt

by **The Red Tornado** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 21:53:31

pacino wrote:I don't know how well HORSE is going to go over trt

if it doesnt work, it doesnt work, no harm in trying

In poker news-
Dan Harrington won his first WPT just this week!!

by **pacino** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 22:02:26

yo trt, what time should i mosey on down

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