seke2 wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:Let me ask you- do you still attempt to steal blinds when you have a player like Dave R acting after you and the range of holdings that they'll call you with is very high?

Yes, but it varies how I'm going to steal. I won't steal with air. Or if I do steal with a weak hand, I may raise instead of pushing. Dave will call small raises very wide but he'll call somewhat tighter on a push for most/all of his chips. Any decent ace, any pair, some two broadway hands....but you can't try to abuse him with air. At the same time, when you're very desperate/short, you can push wide into him because you know when he does call, you'll usually at least have 40% equity no matter what you have.

I figured when youre short that pushing against isnta bad idea, but if you have a huge stack, do you still push if it's just you and him or is the equity no longer there?

Sometimes, yeah. It really depends on a lot of factors. The key point is that hand strength is a much more important factor when you are going to get called a lot, as where normally you might steal with any 2 cards. I'm still going to play a wide range into him aggressively, but not as wide as I'd play into a less reckless player.

seke2 wrote:Sometimes, yeah. It really depends on a lot of factors. The key point is that hand strength is a much more important factor when you are going to get called a lot, as where normally you might steal with any 2 cards. I'm still going to play a wide range into him aggressively, but not as wide as I'd play into a less reckless player.

I guess similarly is when you are constantly stealing with a big stack, wont the shorties realize what youre doing and start to call with wider ranges? That's basically what happened to me saturday and I was getting called with K7 and the like towards the end and my A8 would get beat. I guess Im asking what adjustments do you make as the shorties get looser or is that what you wnat to happen?

The Red Tornado wrote:

seke2 wrote:Sometimes, yeah. It really depends on a lot of factors. The key point is that hand strength is a much more important factor when you are going to get called a lot, as where normally you might steal with any 2 cards. I'm still going to play a wide range into him aggressively, but not as wide as I'd play into a less reckless player.

I guess similarly is when you are constantly stealing with a big stack, wont the shorties realize what youre doing and start to call with wider ranges? That's basically what happened to me saturday and I was getting called with K7 and the like towards the end and my A8 would get beat. I guess Im asking what adjustments do you make as the shorties get looser or is that what you wnat to happen?

Sure, that's fine with me. I mean, if I expect I'm going to be called light, I'm not going to push trash hands. However, I'll push any ace-high if I think someone's calling range includes K-high. That's HUGELY +EV. You want people calling you with worse hands when you are stealing. It is not a bad thing. The value of aggressively stealing blinds comes from 2 factors:
1) Folding equity
2) Hand value equity

When you have some FE AND your opponent's calling range includes worse hands, that is incredibly +EV.

An example:
You push 50% of the hands, with this range:
33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J4s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,65s,A2o+,K5o+,Q7o+,J7o+,T7o+,98o

Your opponent calls with the following range:
22+,A2s+,K5s+,Q9s+,JTs,A2o+,K5o+,Q9o+,JTo

That's like the top 35%, a pretty wide calling range.

You have roughly 45% equity with that calling range.


65% of the time, you win blinds/antes, whatever.
35% of the time, you have 45% equity.

I don't even have to plug in actual numbers for you to see how grossly profitable that would be, right?

I guess the main adjustment I'd suggest would be pushing less garbage hands and pushing more mediocre-good hands, like low aces, crappy two broadway, etc. Normally, pushing A2-A6 can be problematic because most people will call you with A7+, but when you think your opponent's calling range includes a lot K/Q-high hands, A2-A6 are suddenly hands you should be pushing.

admit it, youre scared to play me now.

The Red Tornado wrote:admit it, youre scared to play me now.

sorry, i'm not really scared to play anyone. robots do not get scared. i just have to adjust differently to you.

seke2 wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:admit it, youre scared to play me now.

sorry, i'm not really scared to play anyone. robots do not get scared. i just have to adjust differently to you.

I will crush you into tin cans.

Guess I have to wait until July tho.

The Red Tornado wrote:

seke2 wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:admit it, youre scared to play me now.

sorry, i'm not really scared to play anyone. robots do not get scared. i just have to adjust differently to you.

I will crush you into tin cans.

Guess I have to wait until July tho.

yeah, the june plans are a go

The 5,000 Pot Limit Omaha/rebuys tourney sounded pretty wild

143 players and huge chunk of them are pros and internet stars. So what happens when you have unlimited rebuys and youre playing Omaha?

From cardplayer.com's updates

Sick...
There exists no other word to describe the action so far in this event. It is just sick. Chips are flying across the felt, and as a result $5,000 chips are also literally flying across the room as some players borrow a rebuy from a friend at the next table. When Phil Ivey had to reload he merely gestured to Chip Reese, who responded by throwing him two $5,000 chips. One tournament directed was overheard saying that table 213 alone accounts for roughly $250,000 in rebuys.

Action is always fast in a rebuy tournament, but it becomes out of control when combined with pot limit omaha. As Lyle Berman said of the game in his section of Super System 2, there are times when two players could flip both their hands up and still put all of their money in. Some hands of note include when Mark Vos called an all in with top set of aces, putting him in the lead of his opponent's set of queens. The turn was innocuous, and Vos' opponent was down to one out. The Q did indeed roll of on the river, forcing Vos to rebuy with about fifteen minutes left in the rebuy and add-on period.

The action is so fast and furious that it seems almost futile to take not of emerging chip leaders, but one player seems to have amassed such a stack that they have pulled away from the field. Ram Vaswani's stack of $5,000 chips that is larger than most other player's $1,000 chip stack, and is sitting around $100,000.

also

Tournament officials have announced the tournament info. The 145 players that entered the event generated a prize pool of $2,891,000 through rebuying an astonishing 450 times. First place will pay $868,745 in addition to a coveted WSOP bracelet. Daniel Negreanu admited to being in for $25,000, which he said was average. Indeed, the lowest amount invested at Negreanu's table was the $15,000 of Ayaz Mahmood.

I really need to win tonight or I'm gonna have a shite weekend.

The Red Tornado wrote:also

Tournament officials have announced the tournament info. The 145 players that entered the event generated a prize pool of $2,891,000 through rebuying an astonishing 450 times. First place will pay $868,745 in addition to a coveted WSOP bracelet. Daniel Negreanu admited to being in for $25,000, which he said was average. Indeed, the lowest amount invested at Negreanu's table was the $15,000 of Ayaz Mahmood.

Wow. That's spectacular.

Updated tourney info

tourney starts again at 3 oclock vegas time....

Today's Hand discussion- strong but not the nuts:


FTP- Cash game NLHE Deep 6 $.15/.30

I sit down with the max ($60) and wait 2 hands for the blind to hit me and watch- no particular reads were made during the 2 hands as no hands were shown and action ended after flop, nothing unusual noticed.


UTG- Folds
MP- Folds
CO- Folds
BU - raises to $1.05
SB folds
BB (hero)- has A K

thoughts here? I'm a complete unknown and in the blind with a big hand- do I raise here or call hoping to trap?

Either seems fine to me. I'd probably call.

If you do raise, I don't think you want to raise too much..... you arent going to win too much by pushing him away right now.... esp since it is the first couple hands in a cash game....

I'd call...

I decide to call as it can look like a loose call or defending a blind and I could be holding mediocre hands to the raiser.


Flop:

A:h: 5:h: 6:d:


Hero?


check raise since a Cbet is likely? Bet out?

Well, it's sort of a matter of how much risk you want to assume here.

If your opponent has Ax, you could lead and he'd probably raise with most decent aces or call down multiple bets with weak aces. So betting out would be good for that reason. But he would fold a lot of random hands to that 1 bet, as where if you checked, you could almost always get 1 more bet out of him because he'd cbet with most of his raising range.

Personally, because it's early and we don't have a read, I think I'd C/R and try to end it here becuase it's the lower variance, lower risk play. If we knew our opponent was a calling or would play very aggressively with top pair, I'd probably bet 1/2 pot, hoping to get raised.

seke2 wrote:Well, it's sort of a matter of how much risk you want to assume here.

If your opponent has Ax, you could lead and he'd probably raise with most decent aces or call down multiple bets with weak aces. So betting out would be good for that reason. But he would fold a lot of random hands to that 1 bet, as where if you checked, you could almost always get 1 more bet out of him because he'd cbet with most of his raising range.

Personally, because it's early and we don't have a read, I think I'd C/R and try to end it here becuase it's the lower variance, lower risk play. If we knew our opponent was a calling or would play very aggressively with top pair, I'd probably bet 1/2 pot, hoping to get raised.

See it's scary how we are thinking alike here-


Hero checks

Villain bets $1.25

Hero raises to $3.75

Villain pauses and calls

Turn: 5:c:


Okay since he called- now you figure you have this guy beat pretty bad with him holding AQ/ AJ/ AT, etc or he has you crushed with a full house or trips. While you cant rule out a flush draw I dont think it's likely at this point.

Hero?

Bet out, if yes pot bet or 1/2 pot. Check raise again?

No C/R now, he showed weakness in his pause and the relatively small size of his cbet. Hero needs to lead here. It's pretty unlikely he has a 5. If he does, we're going to lose a big pot here. Hero should bet somewhere between 1/2 pot and 2/3 pot, I think...