Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby WilliamC » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:43:40

kruker wrote:And really good for the Phillies here in not playing the B's 14 day wait game. That #$!&@ needs to end.



Yeah when the Angels did it with Trout it might have cost them the postseason.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:48:27

It really seems like they have supreme confidence in the guy. Good for him. They must think he'll be worth a lot more or the risk makes no sense.

I think it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, but the dollars are low enough that I think it's fine. I'm excited to watch him mash.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:51:53

Why are people posting about everyone complaining? There have been a couple of valid points about the possible consequences of the deal but no one is slamming the organization or the player.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:53:49

kruker wrote:And really good for the Phillies here in not playing the B's 14 day wait game. That shit needs to end.


It's a great look for the organization
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby kruker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:54:51

Monkeyboy wrote:It really seems like they have supreme confidence in the guy. Good for him. They must think he'll be worth a lot more or the risk makes no sense.

I think it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, but the dollars are low enough that I think it's fine. I'm excited to watch him mash.


What's the risk? Really? Like getting 24m of value out of him in 6 seasons is pretty darn high. The upside of the 3 super team friendly option years and showing players that you're an organization willing to do this far outweigh the dollar risk. 24m for one season is an albatross. Over 6 it's a rounding error. I contend there's almost no risk here.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:56:16

Wheels Tupay wrote:Why are people posting about everyone complaining? There have been a couple of valid points about the possible consequences of the deal but no one is slamming the organization or the player.



WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT COMPLAINERS

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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby MoBettle » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:57:38

I need some sort of article to explain how his playing time is going to work.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby heyeaglefn » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:58:03

Wheels Tupay wrote:Why are people posting about everyone complaining? There have been a couple of valid points about the possible consequences of the deal but no one is slamming the organization or the player.

Most people are stating risk as the biggest complaint, yet I haven't seen one person outline a reasonable risk associated with this other than he is a bust and 24 million dollars is wasted. In that situation he is a bust anyway even if he doesn't sign the deal and the money has no meaning to this team.

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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:58:21

kruker wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:It really seems like they have supreme confidence in the guy. Good for him. They must think he'll be worth a lot more or the risk makes no sense.

I think it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, but the dollars are low enough that I think it's fine. I'm excited to watch him mash.


What's the risk? Really? Like getting 24m of value out of him in 6 seasons is pretty darn high. The upside of the 3 super team friendly option years and showing players that you're an organization willing to do this far outweigh the dollar risk. 24m for one season is an albatross. Over 6 it's a rounding error. I contend there's almost no risk here.

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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:58:36

and it's actually really beneficial (in more ways than the obvious one) if he does become a stud. We can offer to make those three 'cheap' option year deals much more lucrative if he's willing to tack 3 or 4 more on to the end.

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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby kruker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:59:20

I think the fangraphs value for 1 WAR right now is like 7m. You need to get 3.5 out of Scott just to break even and that's at the older rate and not counting inflation. Such a good risk.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:59:53

Bucky wrote:and it's actually really beneficial (in more ways than the obvious one) if he does become a stud. We can offer to make those three 'cheap' option year deals much more lucrative if he's willing to tack 3 or 4 more on to the end.



somebody please dig ^ that post up in 2023 when we sign the deal to make surefire HOFer Kingery a Phillie For Life
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby Titlehungry » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:59:56

I know that Scott Kingery will be in Atlanta on Thursday and Ronald Acuna will not and that helps our chances of starting 1-0
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby kruker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:02:32

Bucky wrote:and it's actually really beneficial (in more ways than the obvious one) if he does become a stud. We can offer to make those three 'cheap' option year deals much more lucrative if he's willing to tack 3 or 4 more on to the end.


It's more than that too. Think about a Boras client in the draft for example. Who knows but I don't think it's implausible agents wouldn't want to steer their clients to orgs willing to at least offer deals like this. Not to say they'd take it, but provides optionality.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby SixerLed3 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:02:59

MoBettle wrote:I need some sort of article to explain how his playing time is going to work.


Gabe Kapler said he can see Scott Kingery starting games at 2B, SS, 3B, LF, CF & RF "in the short term," & maybe eventually at 1B.

Asked if Kingery even has a 1B mitt, the always-mega-prepared Kapler laughed & said: "You know what? I don't know."


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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby bdj72 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:03:12

WilliamC wrote:
kruker wrote:And really good for the Phillies here in not playing the B's 14 day wait game. That #$!&@ needs to end.



Yeah when the Angels did it with Trout it might have cost them the postseason.


I think the 10 year deal with Albert Pujols is what killed them not signing Trout early.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby WilliamC » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:03:15

Bucky wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:Why are people posting about everyone complaining? There have been a couple of valid points about the possible consequences of the deal but no one is slamming the organization or the player.



WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT COMPLAINERS


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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby WilliamC » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:05:15

bdj72 wrote:
WilliamC wrote:
kruker wrote:And really good for the Phillies here in not playing the B's 14 day wait game. That #$!&@ needs to end.



Yeah when the Angels did it with Trout it might have cost them the postseason.


I think the 10 year deal with Albert Pujols is what killed them not signing Trout early.


I was talking about holding him in the minors intially for the 14 days in his kickass rookie season. They barely missed the playoffs.
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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby MoBettle » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:09:58

SixerLed3 wrote:
MoBettle wrote:I need some sort of article to explain how his playing time is going to work.


Gabe Kapler said he can see Scott Kingery starting games at 2B, SS, 3B, LF, CF & RF "in the short term," & maybe eventually at 1B.

Asked if Kingery even has a 1B mitt, the always-mega-prepared Kapler laughed & said: "You know what? I don't know."


https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/978 ... 88096?s=21

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Re: Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

Postby CFP » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:11:19

Stark, Morosi, Kenny... everyone is coming out of the woodwork to write about the Phils again. Feels good

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