Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:40:29

Matt Gelb @MattGelb
Here’s the breakdown of the Scott Kingery contract:

$1.5 signing bonus
2018: $750k
2019: $1.25 mil
2020: $1.5 mil
2021: $4.0 mil
2022: $6.0 mil
2023: $8.0 mil
2024-26 options are $13, $14, $15 with $1 mil buyout.

by **phillychuck** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:41:08

bdj72 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Matt Gelb @MattGelb
Scott Kingery’s deal could be worth as much as $65 million over nine years, according to a source. The club options are $13 million, $14 million and $15 million.

Might be smart to lock up guys like Hoskins and Kingery now before we start going after guys like Harper and Trout. Besides Hoskins who else should we sign long term now?

Nola/Crawford

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:41:17

CalvinBall wrote:Think it's a bit early for this kind of thing. He isn't a can't miss prospect.

What's the risk?

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:46:58

I wonder if this sets a precedent, and not a good one. Giving prospects that have never played in the majors a long term deal seems risky in the sense that it's impossible to truly predict a player's career and what criteria does an org use to sign one top prospect over another?

Giving Kingery a deal is great but now you have to wonder, why not give Hoskins one? Nola is also still without a longterm deal.

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:53:13

It's not the first time this has happened so it won't set a precedent. The singleton deal didn't work our for the Astros.

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:53:54

24 million guaranteed is pocket change.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:54:11

As someone mentioned, everyone has a different strategy. Perhaps Nola’s camp has figured they’d get more going year to year. Maybe they are waiting for his arb year to hammer something out.

by **Grotewold** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:55:51

heyeaglefn wrote:It's not the first time this has happened so it won't set a precedent. The singleton deal didn't work our for the Astros.

They got smoked

by **WilliamC** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:56:42

heyeaglefn wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Think it's a bit early for this kind of thing. He isn't a can't miss prospect.

What's the risk?

Exactly...It's 24 M guaranteed. The money isn't going to be an issue going forward. That is pennies. Even if he busts which I highly doubt it was worth the risk cause it could turn into an amazing bargain like Utley's first big deal.

by **Titlehungry** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 15:57:41

The Singleton contract set the Astros back years

by **Slowhand** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:02:13

While the amount of money over six years certainly won't hamstring us if he sucks, I'm not wild about the idea of a long term contract to a guy who hasn't played in the majors yet, and would hope it doesn't set a precedent. Of course, if he in fact turns into a stud it's one heckuva bargain.

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:04:23

What kind of precedent are people worried about? It's obvious both sides wanted this and it's not like a player has any leverage in getting a deal like this or it would have happened more than twice ever. Minor league players have very little power in negoations.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:04:51

Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Evan Longoria had appeared in six major-league games when he agreed to a six-year, $17.5 million deal with the #Rays in 2008

by **Stripes** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:06:03

Grotewold wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:It's not the first time this has happened so it won't set a precedent. The singleton deal didn't work our for the Astros.

They got smoked

by **momadance** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:06:09

Bunch of Debbie Downers up in here.

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:06:41

It's a great deal and is basically zero risk.

by **Stripes** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:09:52

My only concern, and it's not really a major concern at this point given the team's payroll, is if it wouldn't be better to do this after the season starts, for luxury tax/AAV purposes. I know it's not a problem at this point, but if/when they sign Machado/harper/whoever, and Hoskins and Nola start getting expensive, it might. Not sure how big a deal that is, though.

by **kruker** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:11:08

Awesome. Great risk to take. Great person to take the risk on

by **bdj72** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:11:47

momadance wrote:Bunch of Debbie Downers up in here.

I know right. I would rather have Kingery sign this contract then the Phils sending him down for 2 weeks so they can control him for an extra year. BE BOLD LETS BRING THE WORLD SERIES TROPHY BACK TO PHILLY!!!!!

by **kruker** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 16:12:47

Doll Is Mine wrote:I wonder if this sets a precedent, and not a good one. Giving prospects that have never played in the majors a long term deal seems risky in the sense that it's impossible to truly predict a player's career and what criteria does an org use to sign one top prospect over another?

Giving Kingery a deal is great but now you have to wonder, why not give Hoskins one? Nola is also still without a longterm deal.

It's great. The risk is paying guys after their prime and not getting anything close to a fair deal bc the guy got screwed in his early years and is looking to get even. See R Howard.

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