Phillies Sign Kingery to Six Year Deal

by **MoBettle** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:11:47

Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Finding spots for Scott Kingery to start at 6 positions isn't just a baseball challenge. It's a managerial challenge - because it will mean making sure every "regular" who isn't playing buys into that.

"The only way to do that," Kapler said, "is ... communicate relentlessly."

by **mcare89** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:15:21

From a Phillies standpoint, this is a phenomenal deal. The only way it doesn't work is if he flames out so hard that he wouldn't even be in the league in three years Singleton-style (for which there were other off-the-field issues) or suffers a catastrophic injury, and if the latter happened, the money would be the least of my concerns.

Any year where makes less than 4 million, which is the first four years, is pocket change. It's less than 2 percent of the payroll on a tax-level team, which is what I'd expect the team to be going forward. The only years that are "risky" in any way are years five and six, in which he'll make less money than the Phillies 7th inning middle reliever makes today, and I'll gladly trade that for the insanely team-friendly team options that they now have in the event that he becomes an above-average regular or better.

I'm not really worried about precedent either, because this deal is so team friendly that I'd imagine high end prospects in the future might prefer to roll the dice, but hell, if this is the new precedent, sign me up.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:19:06

You can give every starter a day off every week. When you give Santana a day off, Hoskins can play first, Kingery LF.

You also have to consider Nick Williams and Aaron Altherr and finding ABs for them.

It's a good problem to have I suppose.

by **kruker** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:22:10

Doll Is Mine wrote:You can give every starter a day off every week. When you give Santana a day off, Hoskins can play first, Kingery LF.

You also have to consider Nick Williams and Aaron Altherr and finding ABs for them.

It's a good problem to have I suppose.

Yes it is. I just got done reading scorecasting. One of the takeaways there was how it's not playing away from home that results in the home field advantage in sports it's the multiple days of games. More rest for players can only be a good thing.

by **MoBettle** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:31:15

This seems like a lot to throw at a kid that has never regularly played most these positions in a real game/in the majors at all.

by **06hawkalum** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:34:50

MoBettle wrote:This seems like a lot to throw at a kid that has never regularly played most these positions in a real game/in the majors at all.

It may "seem" that way, but it is actually chump change.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:35:59

06hawkalum wrote:
MoBettle wrote:This seems like a lot to throw at a kid that has never regularly played most these positions in a real game/in the majors at all.

It may "seem" that way, but it is actually chump change.

I think he meant asking him to play 6 positions, not the money.

by **Grotewold** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:37:16

positionless baseball

by **MoBettle** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 17:43:14

JFLNYC wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:
MoBettle wrote:This seems like a lot to throw at a kid that has never regularly played most these positions in a real game/in the majors at all.

It may "seem" that way, but it is actually chump change.

I think he meant asking him to play 6 positions, not the money.

Yeah

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:05:09

Rhys Hoskins @rhyshoskins
Nobody deserves it more than @ScottyJetpax25 Philly got a good one, stoked to play along side this dude! #Superstar

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:07:57

ek wrote:let's see how it works out. this will be kapler's responsibility to get him playing time and keep everyone on the same page

We said the same thing about BB before the Sixers season. All those good players getting minutes. By mid-season, it felt like we had no bench depth. So it works itself out. Kapler will find a way to keep everyone happy.

by **BigEd76** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:09:28

JArrieta34
Yo Scotty! I’ll take a double Casa Dragones, one cube. Preciate cha @ScottyJetpax25

by **Wheels Tupay** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:13:44

ek wrote:let's see how it works out. this will be kapler's responsibility to get him playing time and keep everyone on the same page

Bewteen this and the OF/1B situation, Kapler is going to have his hands full

by **Monkeyboy** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:31:49

kruker wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:It really seems like they have supreme confidence in the guy. Good for him. They must think he'll be worth a lot more or the risk makes no sense.

I think it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, but the dollars are low enough that I think it's fine. I'm excited to watch him mash.

What's the risk? Really? Like getting 24m of value out of him in 6 seasons is pretty darn high. The upside of the 3 super team friendly option years and showing players that you're an organization willing to do this far outweigh the dollar risk. 24m for one season is an albatross. Over 6 it's a rounding error. I contend there's almost no risk here.

The risk is that he could have a career ending injury tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next day. All the days between now and when they really needed to do something like this. He could also not end up being as good as these early days suggest. It does happen.

It only makes sense if they want some cost certainty and they feel REALLY good about him adjusting to big league pitching.

Overall, I like it because the downside is small and the optics are great. But there is a risk.

by 1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 18:44:46

Monkeyboy wrote:
kruker wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:It really seems like they have supreme confidence in the guy. Good for him. They must think he'll be worth a lot more or the risk makes no sense.

I think it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, but the dollars are low enough that I think it's fine. I'm excited to watch him mash.

What's the risk? Really? Like getting 24m of value out of him in 6 seasons is pretty darn high. The upside of the 3 super team friendly option years and showing players that you're an organization willing to do this far outweigh the dollar risk. 24m for one season is an albatross. Over 6 it's a rounding error. I contend there's almost no risk here.

The risk is that he could have a career ending injury tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next day. All the days between now and when they really needed to do something like this. He could also not end up being as good as these early days suggest. It does happen.

It only makes sense if they want some cost certainty and they feel REALLY good about him adjusting to big league pitching.

Overall, I like it because the downside is small and the optics are great. But there is a risk.

All of this is true of any long-term deal

by **The Dude** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 21:07:48

i mean it's $4 mil/year. it's not a risk

by **jerseyhoya** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 21:08:47

The Dude wrote:i mean it's $4 mil/year. it's not a risk

Right. The whole fucking thing is less than we're paying Arrieta this year.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 21:19:27

Rhys Hoskins @rhyshoskins
This is how stoked I am!!!! #friend

by **The Dude** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 21:25:43

Uncle Milty wrote:The risk isn't financial. I'm all for this type of deal but I'm not convinced Kingery is the player to start with. Then again I feel like I'm the only one not engraving his plaque for the Phillies WOF or the HOF.

The risk is in his handling going forward, especially if he struggles, and possibly impacting negotiations/relations with other young players.

i don't see the risk there either. players that want to sign these deals will, and guys like hoskins will probably hold out. not sure what there is to be worried about going forward.

by **cartersDad26** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 21:31:47

Any chance we lock up Hoskins too?

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