azrider wrote:If I'm Middleton, I have to bring klentak into the office and have him explain what the ROI was for this past offseason moves. Just off the top of my head, I would say 40+ million netted a 102 loss team, a couple of ok prospects, three kinda meh, all far a way, and hopefully that international money comes up huge... cause that ain't too good.

Even spending that $40 mil, Kelntak took them from a top 10 payroll team in 2016 to a bottom 10 in 2017. I'm pretty sure the owners and management were on the same page.

Its nice that they are reporting that the International Pool is over 5.75 million. It would be nicer if they would tell us how much they have left. I'm guessing like 500K-750K.

Bill McNeal wrote:

azrider wrote:If I'm Middleton, I have to bring klentak into the office and have him explain what the ROI was for this past offseason moves. Just off the top of my head, I would say 40+ million netted a 102 loss team, a couple of ok prospects, three kinda meh, all far a way, and hopefully that international money comes up huge... cause that ain't too good.

Even spending that $40 mil, Kelntak took them from a top 10 payroll team in 2016 to a bottom 10 in 2017. I'm pretty sure the owners and management were on the same page.

The question is not who authorized the spending of the money, it's how the money was spent. It's the GM's job to spend the money he's given in the smartest way possible. We spent a lot of time critiquing how Amaro spent the money he was given. It's fair to question how Klentak spent his.

It is fair, but the goals are different of course. Amaro was given the keys to a WS winner and perennial contender, Klentak the exact opposite. The key to me is that Klentak isn't giving out bad multi year deals, he's taking one year fliers on guys that might be able to be moved for something and provide veteranocity, his deals aren't impacting any future seasons or flexibility. IMO, it's hard to HATE anything he's done, dislike the Saunders signing but at least it doesn't hurt you going forward, the rest was fine.

Called Pedro Beato up.

"[Rupp's] OPS is up to .770, which ranks 12th out of 30 major-league catchers with at least 200 plate appearances."

It seems like he goes from being one of the worst catchers in the league to one of the bestevery other month. I wonder where the phillies catchers combo rank overall now

Also- would Alfaro's upside match Rupps numbers?

Alfaro's path to being a big league regular, let alone a star, is starting to get pretty cloudy. Even if he turns it around at the plate the defensive issues just seem to linger.

Warszawa wrote:"[Rupp's] OPS is up to .770, which ranks 12th out of 30 major-league catchers with at least 200 plate appearances."

It seems like he goes from being one of the worst catchers in the league to one of the bestevery other month. I wonder where the phillies catchers combo rank overall now

Also- would Alfaro's upside match Rupps numbers?

phils catchers are 11th in baseball and 7th in the nl in fwar. pure hitting (wrc+) they are 10th and 6th. b-r agrees exactly for offense, but has them a tad lower overall (14th and 8th).

summary: phils current catching tandam clearly is above league median, and probably above average too. alfaro's numbers and scouting reports don't make him look like an upgrade, and i'm getting worried he would be an actual downgrade over the next year or three. maybe he's the one to use as trade bait?

phils have youngish regulars performing at or above mlb average (about 2.0 fwar/yr) at cf, lf, ss, 2b and c. if we believe williams' sss and hoskins' translated stats, rf and 1b will join the vlub next year.

and then there is 3b. franco's approach isn't improving and nether is his d. we have two exciting infield prospects close to the show, but neither is a 3b. what to do? i will make a poll soon, but would like some ideas from others to improve the list. which in-house players are best suited to move to 3b if we give up on franco? which trade or fa options are most feasible?

machado

thats a serious response btw. You need impact players. Guys hoovering around the average war isn't enough. you won't get many shots at getting a stud like machado that young in FA. We have no pay role commitments. Get um

Wheels Tupay wrote:thats a serious response btw. You need impact players. Guys hoovering around the average war isn't enough. you won't get many shots at getting a stud like machado that young in FA. We have no pay role commitments. Get um

plus we clearly don't need trout or harper anymore

Beato to DL, Leiter Jr back up

I'm going to today's game, but I haven't watched in a while. What should I expect?

Gimpy wrote:I'm going to today's game, but I haven't watched in a while. What should I expect?

I would actually say you might see a high scoring game. The OF is raking, Hernandez is hitting well, Maik and Fred are hitting dingers. Also, Velasquez is kinda stinky.

phorever wrote:phils have youngish regulars performing at or above mlb average (about 2.0 fwar/yr) at cf, lf, ss, 2b and c. if we believe williams' sss and hoskins' translated stats, rf and 1b will join the vlub next year.

and then there is 3b. franco's approach isn't improving and nether is his d. we have two exciting infield prospects close to the show, but neither is a 3b. what to do? i will make a poll soon, but would like some ideas from others to improve the list. which in-house players are best suited to move to 3b if we give up on franco? which trade or fa options are most feasible?

I don't think there's any harm in Franco being the starting 3B next season. The only player in AAA or majors that could probably play 3B is Galvis. It would be a waste having him at 3B especially if JP's defense is just average. Cesar does not have the arm to play 3B and Kingery is a potential GG 2B. Franco has not been great this year but also been unlucky. We won't be challenging for the playoffs next year so I'd give him one more year unless a young 3B becomes available. The guy that interests me the most is Eugenio Suarez of the Reds. He just turned 26 and has gotten better every year. Plus defender, 20 HR power and has his BB% up to 12% this year. Senzel will be coming up soon so they'll probably have to move him. Suarez has played some SS (not very well) so they could also just move him there with Cozart a free agent. Also, if Franco doesn't improve and we don't get Machado or another long-term answer, Nolan Arenado and Anthony Rendon are FA in 2019.

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

phorever wrote:phils have youngish regulars performing at or above mlb average (about 2.0 fwar/yr) at cf, lf, ss, 2b and c. if we believe williams' sss and hoskins' translated stats, rf and 1b will join the vlub next year.

and then there is 3b. franco's approach isn't improving and nether is his d. we have two exciting infield prospects close to the show, but neither is a 3b. what to do? i will make a poll soon, but would like some ideas from others to improve the list. which in-house players are best suited to move to 3b if we give up on franco? which trade or fa options are most feasible?

I don't think there's any harm in Franco being the starting 3B next season. The only player in AAA or majors that could probably play 3B is Galvis. It would be a waste having him at 3B especially if JP's defense is just average. Cesar does not have the arm to play 3B and Kingery is a potential GG 2B. Franco has not been great this year but also been unlucky. We won't be challenging for the playoffs next year so I'd give him one more year unless a young 3B becomes available. The guy that interests me the most is Eugenio Suarez of the Reds. He just turned 26 and has gotten better every year. Plus defender, 20 HR power and has his BB% up to 12% this year. Senzel will be coming up soon so they'll probably have to move him. Suarez has played some SS (not very well) so they could also just move him there with Cozart a free agent. Also, if Franco doesn't improve and we don't get Machado or another long-term answer, Nolan Arenado and Anthony Rendon are FA in 2019.

I actually think we'll have a shot at Machado which will eventually help us have a shot at Harper or Trout so Franco at third next year isn't a problem for me except I have to think Kingery is ready in the spring and I really don't love losing Cesar... I guess he has decent trade value maybe for a young pitcher but I'd like to see how high his ceiling is here somehow

Titlehungry wrote:

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

phorever wrote:phils have youngish regulars performing at or above mlb average (about 2.0 fwar/yr) at cf, lf, ss, 2b and c. if we believe williams' sss and hoskins' translated stats, rf and 1b will join the vlub next year.

and then there is 3b. franco's approach isn't improving and nether is his d. we have two exciting infield prospects close to the show, but neither is a 3b. what to do? i will make a poll soon, but would like some ideas from others to improve the list. which in-house players are best suited to move to 3b if we give up on franco? which trade or fa options are most feasible?

I don't think there's any harm in Franco being the starting 3B next season. The only player in AAA or majors that could probably play 3B is Galvis. It would be a waste having him at 3B especially if JP's defense is just average. Cesar does not have the arm to play 3B and Kingery is a potential GG 2B. Franco has not been great this year but also been unlucky. We won't be challenging for the playoffs next year so I'd give him one more year unless a young 3B becomes available. The guy that interests me the most is Eugenio Suarez of the Reds. He just turned 26 and has gotten better every year. Plus defender, 20 HR power and has his BB% up to 12% this year. Senzel will be coming up soon so they'll probably have to move him. Suarez has played some SS (not very well) so they could also just move him there with Cozart a free agent. Also, if Franco doesn't improve and we don't get Machado or another long-term answer, Nolan Arenado and Anthony Rendon are FA in 2019.

I actually think we'll have a shot at Machado which will eventually help us have a shot at Harper or Trout so Franco at third next year isn't a problem for me except I have to think Kingery is ready in the spring and I really don't love losing Cesar... I guess he has decent trade value maybe for a young pitcher but I'd like to see how high his ceiling is here somehow

Cesar is controllable for 3 more years. You can always use a fast switch hitter who gets on base and is a great defender at 2B and passable at other positions.

iladelph53 wrote:

Gimpy wrote:I'm going to today's game, but I haven't watched in a while. What should I expect?

I would actually say you might see a high scoring game. The OF is raking, Hernandez is hitting well, Maik and Fred are hitting dingers. Also, Velasquez is kinda stinky.

Velasquez read this and was pissed!

iladelph53 wrote:

Gimpy wrote:I'm going to today's game, but I haven't watched in a while. What should I expect?

I would actually say you might see a high scoring game. The OF is raking, Hernandez is hitting well, Maik and Fred are hitting dingers. Also, Velasquez is kinda stinky.

What's the power ball #s?