Slowhand wrote:

gr wrote:we're gonna win a ton of games in the 2nd half and wind up with the 5th pick.

Not bad for World Series Champions.

CFP wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:nola's improved mechanics are paying dividends

Feel like that's an indictment of McClure more than anything. Still don't know why he has a job.

Slowhand wrote:

CFP wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:nola's improved mechanics are paying dividends

Feel like that's an indictment of McClure more than anything. Still don't know why he has a job.

Sure does seem like pitchers improve when away from him for a while.

smitty wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

CFP wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:nola's improved mechanics are paying dividends

Feel like that's an indictment of McClure more than anything. Still don't know why he has a job.

Sure does seem like pitchers improve when away from him for a while.

The role of the pitching coach is pretty fuzzy regarding how much effect he has on the staff. For the most part, I believe many Pitching coaches help some guys and don't help others. The one exception is probably Johnny Sain. He never lasted long in any one place for various reasons. But all of his pitching staffs improved a lot with him and declined after he left.

Leo Mazone was often cited for being great. But he had Maddox and Glavine and Smoltz and some other guys who were really good. How much credit does Mazone get for their success? Hard to tell. After those guys left, the Braves pitching staff wasn't nearly as good.

For the most part, great pitchers make pitching coaches look good. Sometimes the pitching coach deserves a lot of credit but I doubt if he really makes that much difference.

That said. If the Phils decide to can McClure I don't care. Good to great pitchers are often not effected by the PC all that much.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047 ... f-all-time

Uncle Milty wrote:The biggest help for those Mazzone staffs was the strike call 47 inches off the dish.

Uncle Milty wrote:The biggest help for those Mazzone staffs was the strike call 47 inches off the dish.

Uncle Milty wrote:The biggest help for those Mazzone staffs was the strike call 47 inches off the dish.

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Slowhand wrote:

smitty wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

CFP wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:nola's improved mechanics are paying dividends

Feel like that's an indictment of McClure more than anything. Still don't know why he has a job.

Sure does seem like pitchers improve when away from him for a while.

The role of the pitching coach is pretty fuzzy regarding how much effect he has on the staff. For the most part, I believe many Pitching coaches help some guys and don't help others. The one exception is probably Johnny Sain. He never lasted long in any one place for various reasons. But all of his pitching staffs improved a lot with him and declined after he left.

Leo Mazone was often cited for being great. But he had Maddox and Glavine and Smoltz and some other guys who were really good. How much credit does Mazone get for their success? Hard to tell. After those guys left, the Braves pitching staff wasn't nearly as good.

For the most part, great pitchers make pitching coaches look good. Sometimes the pitching coach deserves a lot of credit but I doubt if he really makes that much difference.

That said. If the Phils decide to can McClure I don't care. Good to great pitchers are often not effected by the PC all that much.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047 ... f-all-time

I mostly agree, however I can't think of anyone who he has really helped, or anyone who has spoken particularly highly of him. And the fact that it took a rehab pitching coach to point out to a pitcher to use his legs more, a very common thing to teach to pitchers, makes me think that maybe McClure just isn't all that good.

smitty wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

CFP wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:nola's improved mechanics are paying dividends

Feel like that's an indictment of McClure more than anything. Still don't know why he has a job.

Sure does seem like pitchers improve when away from him for a while.

The role of the pitching coach is pretty fuzzy regarding how much effect he has on the staff. For the most part, I believe many Pitching coaches help some guys and don't help others. The one exception is probably Johnny Sain. He never lasted long in any one place for various reasons. But all of his pitching staffs improved a lot with him and declined after he left.

Leo Mazone was often cited for being great. But he had Maddox and Glavine and Smoltz and some other guys who were really good. How much credit does Mazone get for their success? Hard to tell. After those guys left, the Braves pitching staff wasn't nearly as good.

For the most part, great pitchers make pitching coaches look good. Sometimes the pitching coach deserves a lot of credit but I doubt if he really makes that much difference.

That said. If the Phils decide to can McClure I don't care. Good to great pitchers are often not effected by the PC all that much.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047 ... f-all-time

Ace Rothstein wrote:Altherr's injury may not be as serious as reported earlier this week

smitty wrote:This is an interesting part of the baseball reference jawn--

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/ ... itch.shtml