Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Continues

Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:38:22

Elniery Garcia was reinstated to the 40-man roster, and Casey Fien was transferred to the 60-day DL

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:40:41

BigEd76 wrote:Elniery Garcia was reinstated to the 40-man roster, and Casey Fien was transferred to the 60-day DL


In Fien's case "DL" stands for "Don't Look."
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:43:56

mtcal wrote:1b is the spotlight. Cataldi still screaming and (level headed?) Morganti pointing out that if you trade Joseph and Hoskins doesn't cut it then you're at square 0 at 1b.


Tommy is 26th among ML 1B in WAR. With him you're at square 0 anyway so if Hoskins isn't the answer you have to find somebody else anyway.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Titlehungry » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:48:40

JFLNYC wrote:
mtcal wrote:1b is the spotlight. Cataldi still screaming and (level headed?) Morganti pointing out that if you trade Joseph and Hoskins doesn't cut it then you're at square 0 at 1b.


Tommy is 26th among ML 1B in WAR. With him you're at square 0 anyway so if Hoskins isn't the answer you have to find somebody else anyway.


The last thing I'm worried about is being back at square one at 1b... first, I think Hoskins is going to really good... maybe not Ryan Howard good but I'd like to find out before he is 30... second, we have a lot of OF... I'm pretty sure Cozens could learn to play first or Altherr or Haseley or Pullin... by then Jhaailahjynhayn Ortiz might be the next big thing... third, we have a trillion dollars to spend and tons of prospects, pretty sure we could land the next Rico Brogna if need be
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 13:49:19

We are all understandably excited at the development of Kingery, but realistically he might need a little more time at AAA. He's only had 49 AB's with the Pigs.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Mon Jul 10, 2017 14:31:36

thephan wrote:We are all understandably excited at the development of Kingery, but realistically he might need a little more time at AAA. He's only had 49 AB's with the Pigs.


yeah. the only deal with the king for me is that it's the one position there's an obvious hole at the big league club pending on how long cesar's out. the rotation they're throwing out there right now is nauseating.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby azrider » Mon Jul 10, 2017 14:54:47

mtcal wrote:
thephan wrote:We are all understandably excited at the development of Kingery, but realistically he might need a little more time at AAA. He's only had 49 AB's with the Pigs.


yeah. the only deal with the king for me is that it's the one position there's an obvious hole at the big league club pending on how long cesar's out. the rotation they're throwing out there right now is nauseating.


I wouldn't mind promoting Crawford,(appears he's turning the corner) and moving galvis over to 2nd.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Mon Jul 10, 2017 15:23:01

azrider wrote:
mtcal wrote:
thephan wrote:We are all understandably excited at the development of Kingery, but realistically he might need a little more time at AAA. He's only had 49 AB's with the Pigs.


yeah. the only deal with the king for me is that it's the one position there's an obvious hole at the big league club pending on how long cesar's out. the rotation they're throwing out there right now is nauseating.


I wouldn't mind promoting Crawford,(appears he's turning the corner) and moving galvis over to 2nd.


works for me

just to monkey wrench that, by the way:


Phillies general manager Matt Klentak said Hernandez (oblique) should come off the disabled list sometime during the Phillies' road trip from July 14 to July 19, Jake Lourim and Matt Gelb of The Philadelphia Inquirer report.
Hernandez has been sidelined since June 9 with a strained oblique. He started taking swings in a batting cage last week and will head out on a rehab assignment as soon as the Phillies feel there is no risk of re-injury.


http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseba ... tar-break/
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby joe table » Mon Jul 10, 2017 16:29:33

Hoskins should be up in the second half so he can be evaluated as an option for starting 1b next year. Option Joseph or just outright him if you have to

Also wouldn't object to Crawford playing every day but that can happen after galveez goes via trade

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Titlehungry » Mon Jul 10, 2017 16:37:05

I think they may have stumbled into some legitimate trade value with Joseph, Hernandez, and Galvis. Joseph, as the stats show, is nothing super special but does have plus power with some room to improve and that is much better than what the Yankees have at first right now. Hernandez is a pretty good player... he could be considered a keeper if it wasn't for Kingery's emergence. I might wait to take offers over the winter on him though since he's been hurt and even ponder moving him to third if you have power at first, second, and in the outfield. Galvis has always been a Gold Glove level SS but now throwing up a second straight year of projected 20+ homer power plus an uptake in his offensive numbers could make him valuable to the right team. Having ready replacements for all three of these guys is nice too. Maybe they can move Odubel too, if you think Cozens, Quinn, or Haseley project better with Altherr and Williams in the OF.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Jul 10, 2017 16:43:24

I know I'll get shit, but food for thought.

Player A (21-23 years old, 1,536 PA): .285/.323/.377 90 OPS+
Player B (22-24 years old, 1,312 PA): .251/.307/.433 98 OPS+

Player A is an MVP candidate and Player B is our 3rd baseman. Just don't want to give up on a guy that is 24 and has real power.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby azrider » Mon Jul 10, 2017 16:52:09

Do we get a hint?

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Jul 10, 2017 16:54:28

plays for the Astros

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby azrider » Mon Jul 10, 2017 17:07:41

Yeah, you'll get shit for that one.

But do agree with Franco.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Jul 10, 2017 17:10:04

Altuve, alt-uve, uve is Italian for grapes, some may dismiss criticism of Franco as sour grapes. I like it, works on many levels, good job.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Jul 10, 2017 18:03:26

azrider wrote:Yeah, you'll get shit for that one.

But do agree with Franco.

Those Astro teams were awful and if anything, I'm trying to draw a parallel (as noted by Pete and others) that Franco is pressing because his team stinks.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby nycphils » Mon Jul 10, 2017 18:53:50

I'd deal Joseph too but if not the correct answer to if Hoskins can't cut it in the short term at least is a Joseph/Knapp platoon next year. Joseph OPS vs LHP is close to .900 and Knapp is at .800 in his first 100 ABs vs RHP

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 11, 2017 08:56:36

Neshek reading the tea leaves:

Neshek even reads his own trade rumors, trying to figure out where he could end up. A new team pops up every day, Neshek said. He joked that he hopes to join the team with the best record.

“I’ve been dealing with it since the first day I got traded to Philly,” Neshek said. “… It’s not like it wasn’t expected. It would be nice for me one year to just stay somewhere three years. I’d go nuts.”

Neshek entered the All-Star break with a 1.27 ERA, allowing runs in just two of his 38 appearances. It is the best season of his career and he may soon finish the season for a team in a pennant race.

“I’ve been in the playoffs seven different times so I know that I’d do well,” Neshek said. “I think everyone wants to get that adrenaline going. When I was with St. Louis, it was a letdown that they didn’t get to the World Series. That was the furthest that I’ve ever got and it was an off year for St. Louis. It was incredible. Every night you would go back out there and you’re sore, but you’re just going to battle. That’s what we all want to do. Win games.”
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Jul 11, 2017 15:18:19

i think the brewers would be a good destination for hellickson and neshek. they're 5.5 up in the central and both would be upgrades to their team. their current rotation is nelson/garza/davies/suter with anderson, their best starter, out with an oblique injury and guerra on the dl as well. hellickson would definitely fit in there. knebel has been awesome as their closer and barnes and hughes have been ok, but neshek could step right in as their 8th inning guy.

my ideal return would be a hitter/pitcher in the 8-10 range and then the opposite in the 15-20 range. my top target would be 3b lucas erceg. drafted in the second round last year after some off field concerns pushed him out of the first. should be able to stay and projects as a regular, which i think is the biggest need in the org. i'd gun for cody ponce as the second part of the deal. 6'6 250 pound pitcher. second rounder in 2015, doesn't walk many and has decent enough k numbers. if i have to temper the expectations a bit, then maybe something like marcos diplan and gilbert lara. diplan is in the sixto mold and lara was big ticket la signing that hasn't put it together yet.

brewers get two guys they need without sacrificing the top guys in their system and the phils get two upside prospects that don't have to go on the 40 man. phils willingness to cover the contracts is probably attractive to an organization like the brewers too.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Bucky » Tue Jul 11, 2017 15:26:55

they are both heading to milwaukee thursday

lead-pipe cinch

i guarantee it

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