Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Continues

Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Tue Jul 11, 2017 16:55:25

Like your thinking RP, Erceg would slide in nicely at Clearwater. Kodi Medeiros is probably a reliever but he'd be a LH power arm this system is missing too.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Tue Jul 11, 2017 18:53:48

negatory mtcal is ready for some lame trade deadline where we only move like 2 guys
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Titlehungry » Tue Jul 11, 2017 22:05:36

Maybe we can trade all the guys we don't want for all the guys the Marlins don't want
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue Jul 11, 2017 23:47:15

Titlehungry wrote:Maybe we can trade all the guys we don't want for all the guys the Marlins don't want


now we're talkin'
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby nycphils » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:59:38

From BP's article on the Top 50 draft era all time busts - (#1 Drew Henson, #2 Jesus Montero, #3 Delmon Young, #4 Brien Taylor):

34. Domonic Brown, RF, Philadelphia Phillies (2006, 20th Round)

Why We Cared: In the first half of the 2013 season, Dom Bombs carpeted Philadelphia—including a blistering ten of them in one twelve-day stretch—and it felt like hope on the heels of a disappointing 2012. Some big trades and the Ryan Howard contract had already wrung out much of the optimism for the immediate Phillies future, but the promise of Domonic Brown destroying baseballs at Citizen’s Bank Park was something to look forward to.

What Went Wrong: A few injuries slowed Brown down after his trip to the All-Star game in 2013, and though his average remained roughly the same across for the second half, the power flickered. Across Brown’s final two seasons in the Phillies’ organization, he never came close to replicating that 2013 surge, and he hasn’t played in the majors since 2015. Maybe more consistent playing time earlier in his Phillies tenure would have made a difference in Brown’s development and success. Maybe it was simply time for the Phillies to begin their long wandering in the desert. (Holly M. Wendt)

Domonic Brown, RF, Philadelphia Phillies (2006, 20th Round) (Yes, again, it was that scarring)

Why We Cared: There's a reason why his 2013 spring training batcrack was my phone's notification sound for three-and-a-half years. Once called the "Total Package" by Ryan Howard himself, Brown was a later pick the Phillies were always high on, going well over slot to sign him. He was projectable with raw athleticism and gosh darn it, he looked like he could continue the homegrown talent movement the Phillies had rode to a World Series. Brown birthed a hashtag movement -- #FREEDOMBROWN -- and hope that maybe, just maybe, the Phils could still keep that window open.

What Went Wrong: A broken hamate bone in Spring 2011 sapped the power. A trick knee in 2012 hurt the speed. It turned out that yes, whoever wrote the 2009 Annual comment on Dom was right to be wary -- his Darryl Strawberryness was a mirage, not the least because he looked lost in the outfield. Being jerked around by the front office early didn't help matters, leaving him to slowly fade away like his team, a dead cat bounce in 2013 notwithstanding. (Sean O’Rourke)

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Titlehungry » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:28:07

I'd make Brien Taylor number one...overall number one, he was supposed to be a phenom... a Yankee phenom... I don't think Henson or Montero were quite as lauded, Henson more cause of the dual sport thing... Young was a dick but at least had a semblence of a career...
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:33:03

jstark with mikey miss yesterday said a 'joseph and neshek to the yankees deal made sense'

ahole also said that judge was a guy the phils were discussing when they were getting ready to move hamels. ^%$&^%
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby WheelsFellOff » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:44:47

It's a shame we needed more than one player in return.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:51:11

The Phillies have strong interest in Marlins outfielder Christian Yelich and would be glad to take some of Miami’s underperforming contracts to facilitate his addition, according to a report from veteran journalist Ken Rosenthal. (With FOXsports.com evidently morphing into a vlog, Rosenthal is writing from his Facebook page during what is sure to be a short-lived foray into free agency.)

From the Phils’ perspective, that would preferably mean taking on some lower-priced contracts that are clogging the Marlins’ books in the near-term. While the Phillies have at least weighed internally the idea of taking on Giancarlo Stanton‘s massive contract as part of some swap, Rosenthal makes clear that the team has not expressed interest in doing so and that discussion of that concept never “got started.”
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:52:05

Yelich widely described as a Yelich type

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby WheelsFellOff » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:58:01

JFLNYC wrote:
The Phillies have strong interest in Marlins outfielder Christian Yelich and would be glad to take some of Miami’s underperforming contracts to facilitate his addition, according to a report from veteran journalist Ken Rosenthal. (With FOXsports.com evidently morphing into a vlog, Rosenthal is writing from his Facebook page during what is sure to be a short-lived foray into free agency.)

From the Phils’ perspective, that would preferably mean taking on some lower-priced contracts that are clogging the Marlins’ books in the near-term. While the Phillies have at least weighed internally the idea of taking on Giancarlo Stanton‘s massive contract as part of some swap, Rosenthal makes clear that the team has not expressed interest in doing so and that discussion of that concept never “got started.”

That's it Matt, work it slow...

make 'em beg for it...
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby smitty » Thu Jul 13, 2017 15:12:45

I can see Judge crashing and burning. Huge guy with a huge swing. I think he can be worked. He will CRUSH mistakes.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Werthless » Thu Jul 13, 2017 15:35:03

I can also see that comment looking very quotable over the next few years. :)


What were the comments made about Billy Wagner years ago?

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Squire » Thu Jul 13, 2017 15:43:33

I guess I am at the point where I find it exceptionally frustrating that the Phillies would be more interested in acquiring a .765 OPS player (Yelich) than the .933 OPS player (Stanton) because his contract is so much cheaper. The team hasn't spent money for two years. Its got a stadium and what we were told was one of the best cable TV deals out there. You win championships with .900+ OPS guys not .750 OPS outfielders. Frankly, Stanton's deal is going to look cheap compared to what Harper and Machado get and the Trout gets. This is a real opportunity and we are thinking small. Again. Just my take.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby nycphils » Thu Jul 13, 2017 16:21:49

Totally agree.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby azrider » Thu Jul 13, 2017 16:37:18

I'm on board too... if you want one of those other names, you have to stop having 100+ loss seasons or at least look like your making some commitment to improving.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Shore » Thu Jul 13, 2017 16:50:21

Disagree.

One, they want Yelich because he's good. Sure, he's at .765 right now, but he's 25, and it was .859 last year at age 24. He's a gold glove LF, who can play CF. Yelich's OPS is rising - it's .850 in the last month, .920 in the last 2 weeks, and I figure he'll get it over .800 soon.

Two, I don't think they are necessarily out on Stanton, or care about the contract. But by balking at it, when they are one of the few teams that COULD absorb it, they may increase their chances of getting BOTH Stanton and Yelich.

I think they're playing it right.

For the record, I'd prefer Machado, Harper, or Trout over Stanton, and if acquiring him impedes our pursuit of the others, then I'm 100% off Stanton. And if there's even a remote chance of getting 2 of the other 3, I'm WAAAAAAY out on Stanton.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby WilliamC » Thu Jul 13, 2017 16:53:20

Squire wrote:I guess I am at the point where I find it exceptionally frustrating that the Phillies would be more interested in acquiring a .765 OPS player (Yelich) than the .933 OPS player (Stanton) because his contract is so much cheaper. The team hasn't spent money for two years. Its got a stadium and what we were told was one of the best cable TV deals out there. You win championships with .900+ OPS guys not .750 OPS outfielders. Frankly, Stanton's deal is going to look cheap compared to what Harper and Machado get and the Trout gets. This is a real opportunity and we are thinking small. Again. Just my take.


Rare disagreement with Squire. Stanton isn't close to the player that Harper or Trout are.

I wouldn't even bet against Yelich being close to as valuable as Stanton for the next 5-6 years.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby heyeaglefn » Thu Jul 13, 2017 17:01:26

Agree, Stanton has injury issues and even with healthy he isn't in the same class as those other guys.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby WilliamC » Thu Jul 13, 2017 17:07:18

Wasn't Yelich one of the guys who also loved working with Bonds? Not saying that was the reason for his dropoff but it seemed like a lot of them guys did better than expected with him as hitting coach.
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