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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Sat Dec 10, 2016 01:47:34

what a perfect storm. a populace stupid enough to vote for a brain dead reality star, the DNC greasing the wheels for a thoroughly unlikeable candidate, a Russian intelligence savvy enough to manipulate us, and a POTUS too much of an appeasing pussy to do anything about it.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Sat Dec 10, 2016 01:52:46

and of course the GOP, a political party so evil they'd rather the Russians interfere with our election and get away with it than sacrifice more tax cuts for their buddies.

By mid-September, White House officials had decided it was time to take that step, but they worried that doing so unilaterally and without bipartisan congressional backing just weeks before the election would make Obama vulnerable to charges that he was using intelligence for political purposes.

Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 — a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the chairmen and ranking members of both chambers’ committees on intelligence and homeland security.

Obama dispatched Monaco, FBI Director James B. Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a “show of solidarity and bipartisan unity” against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.

Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.

Though U.S. intelligence agencies were skeptical that hackers would be able to manipulate the election results in a systematic way, the White House feared that Russia would attempt to do so, sowing doubt about the fundamental mechanisms of democracy and potentially forcing a more dangerous confrontation between Washington and Moscow.

In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as “the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process.”


The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.

According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow’s hands.

McConnell’s office did not respond to a request for comment. After the election, Trump chose McConnell’s wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby thephan » Sat Dec 10, 2016 07:11:26

Amazing to think that the agency's embarrassment with Iraq, if it was that organization even was to blame for how far things went, is having its credibility attacked. One would hope things have changed in the intervening time. That said, it gives even more credence to the idea that manipulation is happening from an outside source. It's just impossible to imagine starting off your term as president with a open land war with your intelligence apparatus.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Dec 10, 2016 09:22:18

Its now the case that the Republican party is basically doing what the comminist party USA did back in the 50s and 60s. Nice work fellas.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:08:10

Our vile, next POTUS will be at army/navy today. Hope he gets booed.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby PSUsarge » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:22:40

SIAP but thought this was interesting:

The Penn State research, the first comprehensive analysis of the link between regional deaths and November voting patterns, used county-level mortality rates from 2006 to 2014 from the CDC.

Prof. Monnat found that nationwide, Mr. Trump performed better than Mr. Romney in counties with the highest drug, alcohol and suicide mortality. Rates of mortality from these three causes has increased in every state since 1999. But in the six states that flipped from Mr. Obama in 2012 to Mr. Trump this year, the increases were larger than those in states where Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton performed the best, Prof. Monnat found.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/opioid-epidemic-is-an-immediate-test-for-donald-trumps-administration-1481309696

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:34:41

Spicer is giving some weird lies on CNN. He's ashamed of the media...he's also very very angry.

This has to be scaring the republicans with how he's reacting.

Now he's walking back some of his bravado.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:35:49

PSUsarge wrote:SIAP but thought this was interesting:

The Penn State research, the first comprehensive analysis of the link between regional deaths and November voting patterns, used county-level mortality rates from 2006 to 2014 from the CDC.

Prof. Monnat found that nationwide, Mr. Trump performed better than Mr. Romney in counties with the highest drug, alcohol and suicide mortality. Rates of mortality from these three causes has increased in every state since 1999. But in the six states that flipped from Mr. Obama in 2012 to Mr. Trump this year, the increases were larger than those in states where Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton performed the best, Prof. Monnat found.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/opioid-epidemic-is-an-immediate-test-for-donald-trumps-administration-1481309696


I would guess the causal factor is something else that results both in voting for Trump and suicide/drug abuse. It's important to remember that the unit of analysis here is county, not individual.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:38:24

Oh now he's shouting again

What a meltdown
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:23:58

At one of his stupid rallies last night Donnie thanked black people who didn't vote because that was almost as good as a vote for him.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:24:41

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:26:31

not that i recommend it, but if you want to know how trump voters think just read the comments on any philly.com politics article. On the latest russian story the comments are mostly pro-trump and anti-WaPo, with lots of references to hillary's emails
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:29:24

That's not just trump voters, I see plenty of leftists almost gleefully talking about Michigan and Wisconsin GOTV efforts, as though that fucking matters at this point when we're talking about an attack on our system. Also, you can't trust the deep state ever so this might all be fake.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Bucky » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:38:58

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I find it strange how I see this linked by people from both sides.

even stranger is the electoral college one the both sides are talking about. The liberals are saying that the electoral college was designed to save us from someone like trump. The trumpies are saying the EC worked as intended and saved us from Hillary.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:02:29

Bucky wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:NSFW (Language)

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I find it strange how I see this linked by people from both sides.

even stranger is the electoral college one the both sides are talking about. The liberals are saying that the electoral college was designed to save us from someone like trump. The trumpies are saying the EC worked as intended and saved us from Hillary.


It appeals to both sides because it describes the plight of the disenfranchised and scared worker who has figured out he's getting screwed but is not sufficiently well-informed to figure out why, so voted for Trump. It also describes the plight of the liberal who wants things to be fair and right but deep down understands -- even if he or she won't admit it -- that there's no good outcome because the owners won't allow it.

In other words, it appeals to all those who still retain that most wonderful but pitiable of all human qualities: Hope; a hope that somehow something I do or we do together is really going to change the overall course of the human race; a hope that it's not really all dog-eat-dog and survival of the fittest; that the life of the individual and our species as a whole has some overall purpose and arc leading to a better day with a fair and righteous outcome.

Plus, it's articulate, well-delivered by a master craftsman, amusing and, most of all, true.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby drsmooth » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:32:03

you've pretty well nailed it JFL
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:50:23

pacino wrote:That's not just trump voters, I see plenty of leftists almost gleefully talking about Michigan and Wisconsin GOTV efforts, as though that fucking matters at this point when we're talking about an attack on our system. Also, you can't trust the deep state ever so this might all be fake.


the CIA definitely lies when it suits them but what would they have to gain by doing this? (or are you quoting people on twitter)
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:51:18

People on twitter
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:52:18

There's a very very important runoff in Louisiana today.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:54:54

Warszawa wrote:not that i recommend it, but if you want to know how trump voters think just read the comments on any philly.com politics article. On the latest russian story the comments are mostly pro-trump and anti-WaPo, with lots of references to hillary's emails


most of them just have reactionary tourettes when it comes to Trump. there's literally dozens of indisputable stories about Trump's malfeasance/incompetence/dishonesty but the vast majority of Trump voters never even tried to use their critical thinking skills when confronted with yet another example of his disdain for them.

related:

@ajjaffe
Whoa—chant of "lock her up!" from the crowd, Trump replies: "That plays great before the election – now we don’t care"


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