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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 30, 2016 00:37:27

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby ashton » Wed Nov 30, 2016 02:01:43

traderdave wrote:Well surely you can understand how I could question whether or not somebody suggesting six months of jail time for burning a piece of cloth is serious.

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traderdave wrote:Well surely you can understand how I could question whether or not somebody suggesting six months of jail time for burning a piece of cloth is serious.

He's serious. Many people agree with him. People forget, or never learned it in school, why the first amendment is such a critical aspect of a functioning democracy. And I'm afraid that there are fewer and fewer people in this country that can effectively articulate a defense of a principle that has, until recently, been assumed to be an essential characteristic of our country.

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As youseff pointed out, Hillary Clinton sponsored a bill that would make burning an American flag punishable by up to two years in jail. Whatever names you want to apply to Trump, Brantt, or Republicans in general over this issue also apply to the Democratic nominee for president.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 30, 2016 02:18:49

Also Brantt has voted Dem for the past decade+ before Trump, and both the House Majority Leader and Senate Majority Leader distanced themselves from Trump's position on flag burning today. Nothing close to a straightforward partisan issue.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 30, 2016 05:30:52

Werthless wrote:
traderdave wrote:Well surely you can understand how I could question whether or not somebody suggesting six months of jail time for burning a piece of cloth is serious.

He's serious. Many people agree with him. People forget, or never learned it in school, why the first amendment is such a critical aspect of a functioning democracy. And I'm afraid that there are fewer and fewer people in this country that can effectively articulate a defense of a principle that has, until recently, been assumed to be an essential characteristic of our country.



It's a pity too many people in the GOP base were willing to go along with this stuff as the GOP moved slowly but steadily towards this line of thinking. Way too many cowards too interested in winning battles about tax rates and "entitlement" programs instead of caring about the health of the democracy.

They sure do love that flag though.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 30, 2016 05:35:48

btw, the flag waving stuff is just a distraction. Focus, people. They are coming for medicare, social security, and a bunch of other stuff that supports people on the fringe of poverty. Nobody is going to starve because they can't burn a flag.

(yes, I know the first amendment is important, but priorities. Don't let them distract us)
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 07:35:07

The last time there actually was a vote on a stupid flag amendment he only people that voted against it were Democrats. But yes, some democrats voted for it.

President Mr Trump literally posted this because he was watching a segment on Fox and Friends about a student that did it somewhere. This is not a real issue. Don't let your idiotic Fox and Friends-watching uncle decide what is an issue in the USA.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Brantt » Wed Nov 30, 2016 07:43:03

jerseyhoya wrote:Also Brantt has voted Dem for the past decade+ before Trump, and both the House Majority Leader and Senate Majority Leader distanced themselves from Trump's position on flag burning today. Nothing close to a straightforward partisan issue.


Correct..........16 years to be exact.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 30, 2016 08:06:31

Brantt wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Also Brantt has voted Dem for the past decade+ before Trump, and both the House Majority Leader and Senate Majority Leader distanced themselves from Trump's position on flag burning today. Nothing close to a straightforward partisan issue.


Correct..........16 years to be exact.

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I'm curious if you are ok with his moves so far. You said you wanted him because he was going to shake things up. So far, he's been placing people in positions that they aren't qualified for and he's got Goldman Sachs people and the most radically conservative (and in some cases racist) people out there. He's not draining the swamp.

For someone who has voted democrat for 16 years, their ideas must be distressing to you. In any case, he's going with establishment ultra conservatives. He's not shaking things up in the sense that things are going to get fixed. Are you in "wait and see" mode or are his moves concerning you?
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:03:24

Wonder how the white working class feels about a former Goldman Sachs-er talking about cutting corporate taxes as the first order of business? Do they think they will ever see that money?

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:09:15

most people aren't paying attention during a lame duck period. they voted, they'll go vote in 4 years again, some of them will vote in 2 years. i guess the key is if enough of the latter realize they've been conned.

i honestly haven't had one Trump supporter in day-to-day interactions even bring up appointments if politics comes up. it's like they don't matter. they voted Trump and that means everything will work out.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:14:26

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
ISIS is taking credit for the terrible stabbing attack at Ohio State University by a Somali refugee who should not have been in our country.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sus ... ck-n689076

Law enforcement officials told NBC News that Artan was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident.

He lived briefly in a temporary shelter in Dallas before settling in Ohio, according to records maintained by Catholic Charities.

Artan attended Columbus State Community College for two years, graduating cum laude with an associate's degree before moving on to Ohio State to continue his studies. He told a campus publication that on his first day at OSU, he was "kind of scared" to pray in public.


Yeah, if we think he still doesn't want to "ban muslims" or whatever, well then we are very wrong.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:16:46

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
I will be holding a major news conference in New York City with my children on December 15 to discuss the fact that I will be leaving my .


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
great business in total in order to fully focus on running the country in order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! While I am not mandated to ....


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
do this under the law, I feel it is visually important, as President, to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses..


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
Hence, legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. The Presidency is a far more important task




It is visually important... got it.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:20:51

the only headline people will see is 'Trump to leave business behind' and not notice it'll probably still be his family running everything, or how long it will take (real estate isn't just turned over in one fell swoop), etc. this will likely be another sham to enrich his family.

in any event, we should probably stop taking his tweets as gospel from on high. look at his actions. his actions are shitty, and far more impactful.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:23:43

look at my tweets:
An advocate of oil and gas development, Fallin signed a bill last year that would prevent Oklahoma cites from enacting bans on drilling.

Fallin is a staunch critic of the Obama administration's climate change regulations for power plants. She signed an executive order last year saying that her state will not comply with the rules.

Fallin has faced criticism from environmental groups for her stance on climate change. In 2013, she questioned whether climate change was to blame for the state's drought. “It's just nature itself and the patterns that flow and so we're going to continue to pray for rain in the state of Oklahoma and hope we that we get some relief,” she told a local radio station.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:23:52

pacino wrote:the only headline people will see is 'Trump to leave business behind' and not notice it'll probably still be his family running everything, or how long it will take (real estate isn't just turned over in one fell swoop), etc. this will likely be another sham.

in any event, we should probably stop taking his tweets as gospel from on high. look at his actions. his actions are shitty, and far more impactful.


I am not taking it as gospel. I don't think many are at this point. A lot of coverage was spent on how wrong his "I lost the pop. vote bc millions voted illegally" tweet.

He doesn't speak to the press anymore. He hasn't really in months. We have the people he is appointing and his tweets to go on regarding what he is thinking or where we might be headed.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:25:39

CalvinBall wrote:
pacino wrote:the only headline people will see is 'Trump to leave business behind' and not notice it'll probably still be his family running everything, or how long it will take (real estate isn't just turned over in one fell swoop), etc. this will likely be another sham.

in any event, we should probably stop taking his tweets as gospel from on high. look at his actions. his actions are #$!&@, and far more impactful.


I am not taking it as gospel. I don't think many are at this point. A lot of coverage was spent on how wrong his "I lost the pop. vote bc millions voted illegally" tweet.

He doesn't speak to the press anymore. He hasn't really in months. We have the people he is appointing and his tweets to go on regarding what he is thinking or where we might be headed.

i get it.

it's a huge concern that he hasn't held a press conference as president-elect. i just don't think we should jump every time he tweets something ridiculous (flag ban) and start a big national conversation about it. we need to pick our battles and pick them wisely. i'm encouraged that the Democrats in power have largely done this.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:26:08

Every country is in the pool to set up events at Trump properties (Japan previously, and Bahrain today)... I am sure this will sail over the heads of a lot of citizens... but a majority of the world is corrupt. Trump's whole pay to play angles in the election was actually based on his experience abroad I would think. The countries, smelling that he is susceptible to flattery, and even more oriented to accepting cash through his businesses, are jumping. It is such an easy jump. Trump is right, we might well see things we never, ever thought we would see before.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:31:21

the UN Security Council is holding an emergency meeting today on the crisisin Aleppo.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Soren » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:38:48

back to being convinced the country is fucked and there will be camps within the next four years.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 30, 2016 09:39:37

FAA is also barring drones from flying over it, ostensibly for 'security' but more likely at the behest of those embarrassed that they were caught using hoses on protesters. Some law enforcement that previously pledged support have decided against participating in this.

North Dakota officials on Tuesday moved to block supplies from reaching oil pipeline protesters at a camp near the construction site, threatening to use hefty fines to keep demonstrators from receiving food, building materials and even portable bathrooms.

Activists have spent months protesting plans to route the $3.8bn Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a lake near the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, saying the project poses a threat to water resources and sacred Native American sites.

State officials said on Tuesday they would fine anyone bringing prohibited items into the main protest camp following Governor Jack Dalrymple's "emergency evacuation" order on Monday.

Earlier, officials had warned of a physical blockade, but the governor's office backed away from that.
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