The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Squire » Wed Nov 23, 2016 08:46:01

For what its worth, I absolutely support recount measures. We place far too much emphasis on speed and our desire to know right away than accuracy. And frankly, I don't trust the safety mechanisms with regard to the automated machines and my fellow Americans ability to do basic math with respect to the non-automated votes. The election is 11/8 and the electoral college doesn't vote until Mid-December and inaurguaration another month after that. Not too hard to insist on getting things right. And I literally don't care about "concessions" and think that that concept is one of the stupider concepts in politics. Secretary Clinton doesn't have the right to disenfranchise the people who voted for her.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 08:52:16

ISIS-affiliated suicide bomber killed 32 people and injured 50 more at a Shia mosque in Afghanistan

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 08:58:50

Squire wrote:For what its worth, I absolutely support recount measures. We place far too much emphasis on speed and our desire to know right away than accuracy. And frankly, I don't trust the safety mechanisms with regard to the automated machines and my fellow Americans ability to do basic math with respect to the non-automated votes. The election is 11/8 and the electoral college doesn't vote until Mid-December and inaurguaration another month after that. Not too hard to insist on getting things right. And I literally don't care about "concessions" and think that that concept is one of the stupider concepts in politics. Secretary Clinton doesn't have the right to disenfranchise the people who voted for her.

I would not support it. I support changing laws for future elections to allow more people easier access to voting.

I also just don't see much evidence to merit a recount.

i generally don't support electors switching votes; but, if people who support Trump keep saying to 'accept the Electoral College in all its luster and glory and it's there for a reason', well then I would love if people who are actually electors do just that and respect one of the reasons it was put into place.

i do think either action would basically crater any chance at Clinton doing anything with her term, and she'd likely only have one term out of it. Perhaps that's worth it to avoid DJT? Smarter people than me would know more, but I'd be against further cratering the trust of the public in institutions; but if this prevents autocracy...
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:15:27

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:16:36

just looks like she hasn't had much sleep. most politicos are like that.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:17:01

A few thoughts:

Meliana & Barron to stay in NYC


Great deal for her. She gets to escape her oppressor and live the life she came to America for. Seriously, wouldn't you if you had the chance? Spectacularly plays out to open camera lenses. She can walk after the term, if it does not kill him.

Nikki Haley UN Ambassador


Huge Trump victory to put Nimrata in a second tier role opening the option to put a republicans republican into the SC state house. Then, if she disagrees, or gets out of line, he replaces her and she is out of politics. Brilliant.

Romney for SoS


Again brilliant to move another Never-Trumper into a spotlight where he can be beaten like a pinata while being pressed to support the agenda he railed against or be forced into a public fight a losing battle with el presidente. This either ends in a SoS who is a puppet (who's the puppet?!? I'm not a puppet! Mitt's the puppet!), or with these words: "You're Fired!" Mitt will have neither credibility or a shadow of a political future when this is over.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:21:58

how much did Coke have to pay for product placement?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:23:50

Kathleen Kane was wrong, it wasn't 8 people she didn't like, lots of others were racist and sexist, too:

The independent team reviewed emails from the Attorney General’s Office’s servers, and emails from government employees across the state who sent or received messages from the A.G.’s Office. Gansler wrote in his report that more than 11,930 inappropriate emails were flagged; they were sent by more than 370 state prosecutors or personnel members, and more than 25 members of the state judiciary.

About 25 percent of the emails contained “obscene material or nudity,” while 75 percent had racist or sexist content. Gansler and his law firm flagged 38 people as “high-volume” senders of offensive material, meaning they’d passed along at least 50 such emails. And 13 were singled because they were senior government officials or judges. (Two judges you already know about: Former state Supreme Court Justices Seamus McCaffery and Michael Eakin, who both resigned after their emails previously became public. Three others were not named, but the Judicial Conduct Board is now supposedly investigating.)

In the report, Gansler walks through the process his team relied on to sort through the emails, including its use of software that could figure out how likely it was that email attachments contained pornographic material. And of course they found gems, like an email titled, “Fw: The Bald Eagle XX” that was sent on March 30th, 2009, from a personal email account of an A.G.’s Office employee to 16 people. A written introduction about the beauty of the “Spread Eagle” gave way to photos of “nude women with their legs spread apart. Several of the photographs depict oral sex, masturbation, or sexual intercourse. Accompanying some of the photographs are captions like ‘The Spread Eagle is a beautiful, elegant creature…but a very, very messy eater,'” according to the report.

There are more offensive messages, of course. Some contain jokes about Michelle Obama, Rock Hudson, Hindu women, and “Asian midgets dressed as clowns.” (Yeah. Seriously.) But you already knew that.

Beemer talked about how the Porngate-related lawsuits and investigations have sapped the office of time and money, and pulled it away from fighting against the heroin epidemic, or protecting children from predators, or consumers from scammers. And that all seems true enough — but it also conveniently skips assigning any blame to the people who used state computers and state time to circulate the material in the first place.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:28:37

heard on the radio that the 11k is incredibly inflated fwiw. they flagged any email that contained a myraid of words like hispanic or black even though there wasn't any racist anything in those emails

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:46:50

Erdogan is seeking to expand the power of the presidency and allow him to govern until 2029:

Turkey, which aspires to join the EU, has dismissed or detained more than 110,000 civil servants, members of the security forces and other officials in a crackdown it says is justified by the gravity of the threat from the July 15 putsch.

Erdogan has ridden a wave of nationalist support since the abortive coup, vowing to crack down on Turkey's enemies at home and abroad, and support from the MHP will be vital for realizing his ambition of a stronger presidency.


Civilians flee as Shi'ite groups close in on flashpoint town west of Mosul
Iran warns of retaliation if U.S. breaches nuclear deal
MHP leader Devlet Bahceli has indicated his party could support the reforms and said on Tuesday that party lawyers were assessing the AKP's latest draft.

Any constitutional change needs the support of at least 367 deputies in the 550-seat assembly to pass directly, and of 330 to go to a referendum. The AKP has 317 seats, and the MHP 39.

How did he rope in the MHP? He dropped this bill:
Turkey’s government has withdrawn a controversial bill that would have granted amnesty to some men convicted of child sex assault if they married their victims.

The announcement on the bill, a rare concession to popular opposition in the country, came after street protests at the weekend and criticism from civil society groups, including a women’s rights organisation whose deputy chief is President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s daughter, Sümeyye Erdoğan Bayraktar.


lmao, Linsdey Lohan is a Tayyip fan
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 09:52:49

CalvinBall wrote:heard on the radio that the 11k is incredibly inflated fwiw. they flagged any email that contained a myraid of words like hispanic or black even though there wasn't any racist anything in those emails

yeah, that's in the piece...if you read the report itself it also indicated there was a manual process after the initial sweep. the 11k number is after the latter. The number before was Of 6.4 million provided, 352k documents were flagged (145k were emails) that attorneys then combed through. The search list was simply the first step. I'm not sure why so many outlets glombed (sp.?) onto this; perhaps they don't want to believe so many people were passing this crap back and forth.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:12:37

I simply cannot believe that report. I'm used to encountering the occasional stupid person who misuses their state email/computer, but dear god.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:18:58

then you haven't listened to Sheamus McCaffrey enough. He was the 'Eagles judge' and used to go on WIP with Cataldi. I have little doubt he had a bunch of judge buddies where they sent racist and sexist crap back and forth.
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Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:32:07

pacino wrote:then you haven't listened to Sheamus McCaffrey enough. He was the 'Eagles judge' and used to go on WIP with Cataldi. I have little doubt he had a bunch of judge buddies where they sent racist and sexist crap back and forth.

No, I totally believe the judges part. It's the 370 employees that I find almost completely unbelievable. If that's true, holy crap.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:19:44

Todd Schulte ‏@TheToddSchulte
NEW: Q-poll records their highest support ever for pathway to citizenship. 72% want legalization only 25% deport all

The American people right now are a somewhat confused bunch.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:21:02

I enjoyed Keith Ellison on Keepin it 1600

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:21:35

Hadas Gold ‏@Hadas_Gold 11h11 hours ago
NYT ed board after Trump meeting: 'it was alarming to confront how thinly thought through many of (his) stances actually are.”


well, it isnt all that surprising if you have paid any attention. i mean, he basically made up the punish women for abortions thing on the spot.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:26:19

jerseyhoya wrote:
Todd Schulte ‏@TheToddSchulte
NEW: Q-poll records their highest support ever for pathway to citizenship. 72% want legalization only 25% deport all

The American people right now are a somewhat confused bunch.

be nice if they also asked if they voted and what that breakdown was

edit: the poll

americans support abortion, oppose the wall, oppose cutting taxes for the wealthy, are split on regulation, and support renegotiating trade deals and suspending immigration from 'terror prone regions' even at the expense of barring refugees.


American voters oppose other possible Trump initiatives:
67 - 29 percent against lowering taxes on the wealthy;
48 - 38 percent against removing regulations on businesses and corporations;
57 - 38 percent against making it easier for people to carry guns;
60 - 32 percent against "reducing taxes across the board even if it means increasing the deficit."


but, they're optimistic!
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:33:47

jerseyhoya wrote:
Todd Schulte ‏@TheToddSchulte
NEW: Q-poll records their highest support ever for pathway to citizenship. 72% want legalization only 25% deport all

The American people right now are a somewhat confused bunch.


Confused is putting it mildly.

So many Trump supporter interviews I saw were absolutely brutal.

He is going to make america great again. We need to be great. People are stealing jobs he will bring them back.

How?

By making us great again!

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:40:08

This guy is a rambling moron

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