The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:21:45

drsmooth wrote:
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I adore Paul Ryan. I love the man, and think his motives are pure and instincts are generally right and goals are truly just.


Adore away, but his motives aren't pure, and with respect to health financing policy his instincts suck pretty hard


A man who will lie about his marathon time will lie about anything.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:40:31

Wow - Charles Kaiser made a stop @ CNN and laid out a litany of complaints against the coming administration. Paris Dennard does a terrible job defending by being above the fray, while clearly being below the fold. Kaiser is a freakin pit bull.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:45:58

thephan wrote:Nothing about this talk of a Constitutional Convention? First time in 230 years of such talk? This plan was hatched at a statue of George Washington on the Mount Vernon Estate apparently.

To be clear: Right State, Wrong House, Wrong Guy. So if these yahoos cannot figure out that they should have been at Montpelier, then there should be concern. Washington is a close second as he oversaw its construction, so maybe that is the answer if I am feeling generous, but George did not write the Constitution.

Now to be clear, was it not a theme of the election cycle that the Constitution has a degree of perfection (it does because it has applicability 230 year later), and that it would be defended? I suggest we start defending it immediately.

I don't know the specific story that you're talking about, but it's hardly the first time someone has suggested a constitutional convention. There's at least one bill submitted in the Virginia House of Delegates calling for a convention almost every year, usually from Bob Marshall.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:48:34

President-elect Donald Trump said that if some people had their way, he would “never, ever” see his daughter, according to a tweet by New York Times reporter Mike Grynbaum.

“If it were up to some people, I would never, ever see my daughter Ivanka again,” Trump reportedly told Times editors and reporters when asked about potential conflicts of interest in his administration.

Grynbaum quoted Trump making these remarks at his meeting with the newspaper's editorial staff on Tuesday.

Trump has come under fire from critics over his potential conflicts of interest, be it through his business empire or his family’s involvement in his incoming administration.

Three of Trump’s children, Donald Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, were named members of his presidential transition team, and Jared Kushner, Ivanka’s husband, is said to be weighing a role in the White House.


previous statements:
“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father 

“I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for nude photographs] inside the magazine,” Trump says, speaking for his daughter. “Although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps, I would be dating her.”

Image

we might seriously need to keep an eye on this guy; this might be why Melania is staying in NYC
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:49:54

swishnicholson wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
I adore Paul Ryan. I love the man, and think his motives are pure and instincts are generally right and goals are truly just.


Adore away, but his motives aren't pure, and with respect to health financing policy his instincts suck pretty hard


A man who will lie about his marathon time by more than an hour will lie about anything.

You forgot the most egregious part.

That still pisses me off. Even a novice marathon runner knows the difference between a four-hour marathon and a sub-three-hour marathon. For example, I always mess up my half marathon PR, but it's because I have a mental block as to whether my half PR is a 1:31 or a 1:33, not whether it was a 1:33 or a 2:03.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:57:52


now asks for a full recount and alleges all sorts of widespread corruption:

North Carolina Republican Gov. Pat McCrory announced Tuesday that he has filed for a recount in the state following a close reelection race and two weeks of county-by-county challenges to individual ballots.

Democrat Roy Cooper currently leads McCrory by 8,500 votes, per Cooper's campaign, which has been providing faster updates than the state elections board. But state law allows for a recount if the margin is less than 10,000 votes.

"With many outstanding votes yet to be counted for the first time, legal challenges, ballot protests and voter-fraud allegations, we must keep open the ability to allow the established recount process to ensure every legal vote is counted properly," McCrory campaign manager Russell Peck said in a statement.

McCrory's campaign has alleged widespread voter fraud altered the results of the election, claiming that dead people, felons and people who voted in other states cast ballots in the race. So far, the majority of McCrory's complaints have been dismissed by local, Republican-controlled boards of election.

"This is nothing but a last-ditch effort from Gov. McCrory to delay and deny the results of this election. Roy Cooper leads by 8,569 votes – a number that is growing daily as counties finalize election results," said Cooper's campaign manager Trey Nix in a statement. "We are confident that a recount will do nothing to change the fact that Roy Cooper has won this election.”

in case you wanted to know what would've happened on a nationwide basis if the reverse happened with the results (Trump loses EC)
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:58:07

So there's twitter discussion among the voting wonks about how the Wisconsin certified results are starting to come in. In the preliminary results for one county (Outagamie), there were multiple precincts with more Presidential votes than ballots cast. However, the certified results have rectified that problem... with all extra votes coming from Trump's total and Clinton's total remaining unchanged.

Let me repeat that: somehow only Trump votes got double-counted. 1500 times in a county with only 109,000 registered voters.

So in one county, Trump's total margin of victory just decreased by approximately 1500 votes. As a refresher, his total margin of victory was approx. 22,000 votes.

This may be a very bizarre outlier/aberration, or this could be a really big freaking deal.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:02:11

same thing would need to happen in other states for it to matter. Michigan still has not be called, so she would need that too.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:03:32

PA discrepancy is too much for any of this to matter

oh well

it's over, she conceded. this is the last thing we need (though it would be nice to see what error happened with the vote total in that one county to prevent that in the future)
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:03:53

CalvinBall wrote:same thing would need to happen in other states for it to matter. Michigan still has not be called, so she would need that too.

Oh I know. But IF (and that's a big "if") there were signs of something happening in any other WI counties, the full machine would need to crank up to investigate this. Deadline for a WI recount demand is apparently tomorrow (which blows my mind if they're just now getting to certified results).

And it would also be a lesson in why preliminary results can't be trusted within a percentage point, even in 2016.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:07:44

@BumillerNYT 1h1 hour ago
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:08:24

pacino wrote:PA discrepancy is too much for any of this to matter

oh well

it's over, she conceded. this is the last thing we need (though it would be nice to see what error happened with the vote total in that one county to prevent that in the future)

Don't misunderstand me, I don't think this sort of thing would flip the election results. But if this is in any way systemic, this would look really, really bad. And see my earlier point about trusting preliminary results.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:09:11

pacino wrote:
@BumillerNYT 1h1 hour ago
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Because he's Jewish, duh.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Phred » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:14:42

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
pacino wrote:
@BumillerNYT 1h1 hour ago
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Because he's Jewish, duh.


Because Palestinians love Jews?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:17:56

Phred wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
pacino wrote:
@BumillerNYT 1h1 hour ago
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Because he's Jewish, duh.


Because Palestinians love Jews?

trump thinks jews are good negotiators so he'll send a jew over to israel and show them how to do it
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:20:10

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
thephan wrote:Nothing about this talk of a Constitutional Convention? First time in 230 years of such talk? This plan was hatched at a statue of George Washington on the Mount Vernon Estate apparently.

To be clear: Right State, Wrong House, Wrong Guy. So if these yahoos cannot figure out that they should have been at Montpelier, then there should be concern. Washington is a close second as he oversaw its construction, so maybe that is the answer if I am feeling generous, but George did not write the Constitution.

Now to be clear, was it not a theme of the election cycle that the Constitution has a degree of perfection (it does because it has applicability 230 year later), and that it would be defended? I suggest we start defending it immediately.

I don't know the specific story that you're talking about, but it's hardly the first time someone has suggested a constitutional convention. There's at least one bill submitted in the Virginia House of Delegates calling for a convention almost every year, usually from Bob Marshall.


Rewrite the Constitution? Here's how a convention could do it. What? Well the simple premise is that there are several conservative lawmakers and groups who want a federal balanced budget amendment added to the Constitution, but the concern is why would it stop there? There are plenty of causes to champion, and maybe a few tough to swallow things like annoying amendments. Start with the first, and look at all the odd numbers.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:29:00

The Brits are basically laughing at Trump right now because of his Farage tweet. What a joke. One politician even joked that maybe they should appoint Hillary Clinton.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 16:42:24

thephan wrote:
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thephan wrote:Nothing about this talk of a Constitutional Convention? First time in 230 years of such talk? This plan was hatched at a statue of George Washington on the Mount Vernon Estate apparently.

To be clear: Right State, Wrong House, Wrong Guy. So if these yahoos cannot figure out that they should have been at Montpelier, then there should be concern. Washington is a close second as he oversaw its construction, so maybe that is the answer if I am feeling generous, but George did not write the Constitution.

Now to be clear, was it not a theme of the election cycle that the Constitution has a degree of perfection (it does because it has applicability 230 year later), and that it would be defended? I suggest we start defending it immediately.

I don't know the specific story that you're talking about, but it's hardly the first time someone has suggested a constitutional convention. There's at least one bill submitted in the Virginia House of Delegates calling for a convention almost every year, usually from Bob Marshall.


Rewrite the Constitution? Here's how a convention could do it. What? Well the simple premise is that there are several conservative lawmakers and groups who want a federal balanced budget amendment added to the Constitution, but the concern is why would it stop there? There are plenty of causes to champion, and maybe a few tough to swallow things like annoying amendments. Start with the first, and look at all the odd numbers.

There hasn't even been a new amendment drafted since I was born. (Remember that the 27th Amendment was part of the initial proposed Bill of Rights but wasn't ratified by the requisite number of states until 1991.)

I'm not terribly concerned about this actually happening. It's the type of thing that only gains steam among opposition/minority parties.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Nov 22, 2016 17:18:58

I'm trying to talk myself into the hope that the CIA or NSA became concerned about Trump's russia ties and are currently polishing up an airtight case, complete with videos, of treason against Trump.

it could happen, right?
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