The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 09:30:08

Wolf vetoed a bill that would delay names of police officers who kill someone:
"While I am deeply concerned for the safety of the Commonwealth's police officers, government works best when trust and openness exist between citizens and their government, and as such, I cannot sign into law a policy that will enshrine the withholding of information in the public interest.

"These situations in particular – when law enforcement uses deadly force – demand utmost transparency, otherwise a harmful mistrust will grow between police officers and the communities they protect and serve.

"Further, I cannot allow local police department policies to be superseded and transparency to be criminalized, as local departments are best equipped to decide what information is appropriate to release to the public."


in other PA news, incoming AG Josh Shapiro plans to focus on opioid crisis, holding forums around the state until he takes the post.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 09:44:55

JFLNYC wrote:So Trump brought in the network brass and hosts and gave them a dressing down. Our President-elect setting the tone for the coverage of his administration: Intimidation of the free press; stiflingly of dissent.


He showed a photo of him with several chins that NBC used regularly. Was upset about that. Made sure NBC knew it in that meeting.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 09:45:58

CalvinBall wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:So Trump brought in the network brass and hosts and gave them a dressing down. Our President-elect setting the tone for the coverage of his administration: Intimidation of the free press; stiflingly of dissent.


He showed a photo of him with several chins that NBC used regularly. Was upset about that. Made sure NBC knew it in that meeting.

maybe he should lose weight to fix that issue. he took the first step by firing Christie from the McDonald's runs.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:00:40

brantt, i dont feel like going back to find the piece to quote but:

1. re: politico/thrush. yeah, it looks bad in an email. he should have distilled the facts and sent them to podesta instead of sending part of the piece. but, he was lazy and did the latter. lazy journalism? sure. clinton/msm conspiracy?! not really. the actual emails show that thrush was trying to get quick fact checks and podesta wasn't exactly answering with what he needed or in time. so thrush sends a few paragraphs. for which podesta had ZERO input. dont you think if there was another gun with some more smoke that we'd see it? maybe some edits/rewrites from the clinton campaign? this is laziness at worst.
2. you said something about msm saying trump called all mexicans rapists? i must have missed that headline. they're very clear to not go past what won't get them sued. hence why we're seeing all of the 'alt-right' or 'some people say they are nazi sympathizers' instead of calling these fucks neo-nazis. and would you like his direct quote? ' They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.' Oh wow, that's much better!
3. hillary is going to win by 2.5 million votes. shes going to be very close to obama 2012. the %age of eligible voters is going to be very similar to 2012. this race was lost on the smallest of margins. fewer than 100k people in three states. you drew an inside straight and are bragging about your poker prowess. this wasn't us out of touch liberals not connecting with the white working class. generic democrat wins this election. joe biden wins this election. the sad fact is that swaths of rural america is ready to vote for a black man (good!) but not ready to vote for a woman (not good!). we didnt forget about the (white) working class. we just aren't ready to completely lie to them to get their hopes up.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:01:09

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Justin Amash (R, MI) called him out on twitter fwiw. Hopefully he is the first of many. You can bet for sure Trump saw the tweet with how consumed he is with the medium and who says anything negative about him.

Amash doesn't really count. He's a gadfly who pisses off leadership. It could be the beginning though.

It really doesn't take a lot of Republicans to find courage - especially in the Senate - to make a huge fucking difference.

The main reason I wanted Hillary to win is I was sure if we got into nuclear war with China under her leadership we should be engaged in nuclear war with China. I was, and continue to be, terrified of what Trump will do with the levers of power with regards to our armed forces.

I had a ton of other reasons why I did not want Trump to be president. I didn't spend a ton of time thinking about the Trump conflicts of interest in the run up to the election, and actively defended him on the 'running for president to profit' front about his campaign spending. Think this has moved into my number two concern. Could totally warp decision making on major foreign policy issues, and it's just freaking gross and corrupt.


STOP DEFENDING TRUMP!!!


I am with you, this shit is no joke. His whole campaign was based on Hillary being corrupt. When in reality, he is the corrupt one. He knew it. We knew it. Problem was, not everyone knew it. McCain probably isn't running for re-election in 6 years coupled with the fact that his state is seemingly shifting pretty firmly purple, so he does seem like a pretty great candidate to lead the charge from the R side.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:09:53

Here are some press clippings that GreatAgain.gov collected and put under the below headline-

What They Are Saying: President-elect Donald J. Trump's CIA Director Garners Praise


The Washington Post
Mike Pompeo, a Kansas congressman, is a West Point graduate and tea party ally.

He has earned a reputation as a serious student of national security issues who finished first in his class at the U.S. military academy at West Point, served as a cavalry officer in the Army and earned a law degree from Harvard.


CNN
Pompeo has built a reputation as a stalwart conservative since starting in 2011 in the House -- opposing Obamacare, supporting the federal government shutdown and serving as a member of the House panel that investigated the Benghazi attack.


The New York Times
Mr. Pompeo, a congressman from Kansas, gained prominence for his role in the House investigation into the 2012 attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya.


Some actually are praise, but these are just things that he has done or who he is. I guess without them the press release would have been much shorter, so they figured throw these benign biographical clips in there too and call it praise!

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:45:38

I guess I do not pay a lot of attention to *.gov sites, but I am really surprised to see GreatAgain.gov. It feigns legitimacy as a *.gov site, but it is really propaganda. Is there a self serving site for sitting POTUS? Maybe WhiteHouse.gov serves that purpose (TBF, I have never gone to WH.gov).
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:06:33

Ivanka also sat in on the Argentine President's call. THIS IS WEIRD AND WRONG
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Squire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:18:56

Guy on MSNBC made the correct point yesterday that so many talking heads are missing. There will be no "blind trust" here. Trump doesn't have wealth based on securities, etc like Romney or Kennedy or whatever. He has active trades and businesses, The only way there could be a blind trust would be if he sold all of his active businesses and just bought passive investments with the proceeds. There is no way he is going to do that. Trump knows what his business interests are and he's going to know what policies are going to affect them positively and negatively. I do think this is really problematic. I just get annoyed at the mainstream news hosts keep saying "blind trust, blind trust" not knowing that there is a zero percent chance of it happening here.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Grotewold » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:20:08

A show of blind trust you could say

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:23:02

Squire wrote:Guy on MSNBC made the correct point yesterday that so many talking heads are missing. There will be no "blind trust" here. Trump doesn't have wealth based on securities, etc like Romney or Kennedy or whatever. He has active trades and businesses, The only way there could be a blind trust would be if he sold all of his active businesses and just bought passive investments with the proceeds. There is no way he is going to do that. Trump knows what his business interests are and he's going to know what policies are going to affect them positively and negatively. I do think this is really problematic. I just get annoyed at the mainstream news hosts keep saying "blind trust, blind trust" not knowing that there is a zero percent chance of it happening here.


The pods I listen to call it blind trust with a sneer and mock that it can't be truly blind if his children are running it. I think when he first announced that one of the networks called him out on it. I don't remember which.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:30:23

Meeting is back on with the NYT!

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:31:50

Just guessing, but he probably tweeted he was cancelling it without actually talking to anyone and his people were like, "WTF are you doing?"

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:34:17

Texas bill would mandate a school out a child who is LGBTQ should the parent request it

the only parents actively seeking this info would probably be parents doing it to put children into 'reparative therapy', meaning fake gay conversion.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:40:25

Pelosi announced the Democrats will oppose any infrastructure bill that is simply a giveaway. Sanders just called Trump's plan a 'scam' that isn't a real infrastructure bill.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:43:24

would it be lumped in with the morning annoncements?

"Uhh, today's cafeteria menu is breaded chicken, yellow corn, and apple slices. Today's outed gays, are Michelle Paul and Greg Long. Hope to see everyone at the Football game tonight. Go Knights!"

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:45:14

Ron Paul will be pissed to hear about his granddaughter
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:45:57

About every 20 minutes something grosser is revealed to be true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

President-elect Donald Trump’s charitable foundation has admitted to the IRS that it violated a legal prohibition against “self-dealing,” which bars nonprofit leaders from using their charity’s money to help themselves, their businesses or their families.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Squire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:49:26

CalvinBall wrote:About every 20 minutes something grosser is revealed to be true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

President-elect Donald Trump’s charitable foundation has admitted to the IRS that it violated a legal prohibition against “self-dealing,” which bars nonprofit leaders from using their charity’s money to help themselves, their businesses or their families.


They had to. His violations in this regard were both blatant and obvious.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:50:23

CalvinBall wrote:would it be lumped in with the morning annoncements?

"Uhh, today's cafeteria menu is breaded chicken, yellow corn, and apple slices. Today's outed gays, are Michelle Paul and Greg Long. Hope to see everyone at the Football game tonight. Go Knights!"

the bill just says that parents should have access to all of the school's written records about their children if they ask for them. it doesn't even say that counselors would have to reveal anything disclosed in a session. both sides have reasonable points

unlike Pacino's link, the actual headline of the article is "Senator: Proposed bill wouldn't force schools to 'out' LGBTQ students"

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