The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:52:13

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:would it be lumped in with the morning annoncements?

"Uhh, today's cafeteria menu is breaded chicken, yellow corn, and apple slices. Today's outed gays, are Michelle Paul and Greg Long. Hope to see everyone at the Football game tonight. Go Knights!"

the bill just says that parents should have access to all of the school's written records about their children if they ask for them. it doesn't even say that counselors would have to reveal anything disclosed in a session. both sides have reasonable points

unlike Pacino's link, the actual headline of the article is "Senator: Proposed bill wouldn't force schools to 'out' LGBTQ students"

it actually would, despite what the author of the bill is trying to tell the paper. kids go to counselors who write things about the interactions. voila!
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:58:18

the bill is literally in response to Fort Worth ISD choosing to keep private discussions between a child and an educator on what pronoun a child prefers to use for themselves. she wants the parents to have a 'say' in what the child is called in school. the parents backing it certainly know what it is about.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:03:52

Squire wrote:Guy on MSNBC made the correct point yesterday that so many talking heads are missing. There will be no "blind trust" here. Trump doesn't have wealth based on securities, etc like Romney or Kennedy or whatever. He has active trades and businesses, The only way there could be a blind trust would be if he sold all of his active businesses and just bought passive investments with the proceeds. There is no way he is going to do that. Trump knows what his business interests are and he's going to know what policies are going to affect them positively and negatively. I do think this is really problematic. I just get annoyed at the mainstream news hosts keep saying "blind trust, blind trust" not knowing that there is a zero percent chance of it happening here.


A few days ago, maybe just yesterday, I hit that there will be no separation from his corporate interests. A week or so ago it was announced that POTUS, vPotus are exempt from rules about Conflict of Interest, etc. That was the warning shot that it is not happening. The twist, because we love a twit, is that the Office of the President now seems like an OPPORTUNITY (swOt) to gain wealth through the power of the office. Need another? Well look at how the proposed tax plan helps the wealthy, and Trumps version in particular, most of all, which if certain loop holes are not close could cost the treasury trillions of dollars, yest with a T. It lacks a certain ethics, and is morally void, but that is what was bought and paid for. There should be no surprises by anyone that this would happen, no matter how disrespectful of the citizen, no matter the level of appeared impropriety, no matter how deep the pit of corruption, it just cannot be taken as a surprise that this would be the state of the state. This is, more or less, exactly how it is in mother Russia with the Oligarchs and Friends.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:29:10

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I adore Paul Ryan. I love the man, and think his motives are pure and instincts are generally right and goals are truly just.


Adore away, but his motives aren't pure, and with respect to health financing policy his instincts suck pretty hard
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:35:27

Ryan will bite huge holes in his tongue not criticizing Trump in order to retain his political capital to try and get as much of his agenda as possible passed. The day he confronts Trump on any significant issue of principle is the day pigs get wings.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Tue Nov 22, 2016 13:17:03

A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw “less-than-lethal” weapons.

Sophia Wilansky was one of several hundred protesters injured during the standoff with police on Sunday on a bridge near the site where the pipeline is planned to cross under the Missouri river.

Graphic photographs of her injured arm with broken bones visible were circulated on social media.

“The best-case scenario is no pain and 10-20% functionality,” said Wayne Wilansky, Sophia’s father, who travelled to Minneapolis where his daughter underwent eight hours of surgery on Monday. He said his daughter had been hit by a concussion grenade thrown by a police officer and that the arteries, median nerve, muscle and bone in her left arm had been “blown away”.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Nov 22, 2016 13:21:03

Youseff wrote:
A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw “less-than-lethal” weapons.

Sophia Wilansky was one of several hundred protesters injured during the standoff with police on Sunday on a bridge near the site where the pipeline is planned to cross under the Missouri river.

Graphic photographs of her injured arm with broken bones visible were circulated on social media.

“The best-case scenario is no pain and 10-20% functionality,” said Wayne Wilansky, Sophia’s father, who travelled to Minneapolis where his daughter underwent eight hours of surgery on Monday. He said his daughter had been hit by a concussion grenade thrown by a police officer and that the arteries, median nerve, muscle and bone in her left arm had been “blown away”.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:22:40

there are about 8 million people working that are undocumented.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:26:17

two different electorates

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:28:10

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:would it be lumped in with the morning annoncements?

"Uhh, today's cafeteria menu is breaded chicken, yellow corn, and apple slices. Today's outed gays, are Michelle Paul and Greg Long. Hope to see everyone at the Football game tonight. Go Knights!"

the bill just says that parents should have access to all of the school's written records about their children if they ask for them. it doesn't even say that counselors would have to reveal anything disclosed in a session. both sides have reasonable points

unlike Pacino's link, the actual headline of the article is "Senator: Proposed bill wouldn't force schools to 'out' LGBTQ students"

Yeah, as a parent I have serious issues with any record pertaining to my child not being available to me. I don't expect to be able to grill the guidance counselor or anything, but you damn sure don't get to keep anything confidential pertaining to my minor child, especially when I legally have to send her to that school.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:33:48

shooting from the hip. telling it like it is.

Trump on alt-right supporters: "It's not a group I want to energize. And if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why."


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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:36:07

pacino wrote:two different electorates

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We're living in two different realities, and that's scary.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Soren » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:42:49

CalvinBall wrote:
Trump on alt-right supporters: "It's not a group I want to energize. And if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why."



Does he seriously think he can just put that genie back in the bottle?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:45:01

Soren wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Trump on alt-right supporters: "It's not a group I want to energize. And if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why."



Does he seriously think he can just put that genie back in the bottle?

The sad reality is that he might've been able to win the general election if he had said a few more of these things prior to Election Day, but he never would've won the primary.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:45:40

Doll Is Mine wrote:
pacino wrote:two different electorates

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We're living in two different realities, and that's scary.


as any question, you relate it to you personally. so if they're going to the rust belt that's been crushed with layoffs and mortgage defaults, then yeah, they're going to answer that shit is bad.

my income has increased ~40k in the past 8 years so of course the economy looks great to me. 95% of all new jobs in america require a bachelors degree or higher.


on the whole, is the economy better? yea! but not on a more granular level. If you have no money or aren't working a steady job then everything else looks worse than it really is.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:51:44

pacino wrote:there are about 8 million people working that are undocumented.
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No, no, no, there are 8 million jobs available. Look at those industries, the general voter for the winning bidder for White House occupant is key to that demographic. They are laborers, constructors, farmers, production workers, and service industry ready workforce. This is what they voted for. Now that Bob's potato might not get processed, or the dishes will not be washed because that is low end skut work, or that digging a ditch is too hard for the pay, or standing on your feet all day at the factory blows means that there would be a hole in the economy of jobs people are not interested in, well that is another story.

There will be millions of jobs, heard it on a youTuber video from an Orange and Yellow fellow, and those jobs are going to be high paying, that's what I want. Give me big money. Big money, big money, big money... come on wheel.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:52:31

JFLNYC wrote:Ryan will bite huge holes in his tongue not criticizing Trump in order to retain his political capital to try and get as much of his agenda as possible passed. The day he confronts Trump on any significant issue of principle is the day pigs get wings.



Maybe he would if republicans actually demanded it, but they are very ready to swallow the pill and flush the republic down the drain. Democrats can't do anything to stop this. They'll protest and get angry, but they can't stop it. The only ones who can end it are republican voters and politicians. This is why I was hard on jh. They made the mess and now it's up to them to step up and demand some fucking sanity. They should be making calls and demands. But all we hear are crickets.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:52:58

Trump’s silence on Nazi salute says a lot about him and elected Republicans

Story #4 on FinViz. That is not a political site, and they only track a top 5.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 22, 2016 14:54:56

jamiethekiller wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
pacino wrote:two different electorates

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We're living in two different realities, and that's scary.


as any question, you relate it to you personally. so if they're going to the rust belt that's been crushed with layoffs and mortgage defaults, then yeah, they're going to answer that shit is bad.

my income has increased ~40k in the past 8 years so of course the economy looks great to me. 95% of all new jobs in america require a bachelors degree or higher.


on the whole, is the economy better? yea! but not on a more granular level. If you have no money or aren't working a steady job then everything else looks worse than it really is.


I wasn't making any sort of statement with my post actually. I simply pointed out that we are a divided country and part of it, yes, is based on a false sense of reality.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 15:04:03

Nothing about this talk of a Constitutional Convention? First time in 230 years of such talk? This plan was hatched at a statue of George Washington on the Mount Vernon Estate apparently.

To be clear: Right State, Wrong House, Wrong Guy. So if these yahoos cannot figure out that they should have been at Montpelier, then there should be concern. Washington is a close second as he oversaw its construction, so maybe that is the answer if I am feeling generous, but George did not write the Constitution.

Now to be clear, was it not a theme of the election cycle that the Constitution has a degree of perfection (it does because it has applicability 230 year later), and that it would be defended? I suggest we start defending it immediately.
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